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in two years - current roster and contracts

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Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 3, 2020
Published: Jan. 3, 2020
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please take this as a grain of salt. just visualizing some things
Free Agent Signings
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3$925,000
3$925,000
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8$9,250,000
5$3,500,000
4$3,250,000
8$10,500,000
2$2,400,000
7$7,500,000
1$1,000,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
2$750,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,500,000
1$1,500,000
1$750,000
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24$86,500,000$87,631,492$648,780$182,500-$1,131,492
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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C, LW, RW
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C, LW
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW
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LW, RW
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
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RW, LW
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LW
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C, RW
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RW, LW
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C
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RD
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G
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UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$811,667$811,667 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
G
RFA - 1
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LD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
RD
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$860,833$860,833 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
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Jan. 3, 2020 at 4:14 a.m.
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Way too much for Hughes and Demko. Benning has shown with Brock ( and to an extent Horvat) that he isn’t going to give mega-contract without literally being top of the league numbers, on the back of 2 years performance. Hughes contract is up next year and he cannot be offer-sheeted. He is not consistently on the PK , never mind top PK guy to go along with his top production like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad, etc. So he max gets 5.5-6 mil 3 years or 7-7.5 mil long term.

Same with Demko, if Bennington didn’t get over 5M, Demko as RFA won’t either. If he is still around, and starter to boot, his next contract is max in 3-4 million range.

Oh and Tanner Pearson isn’t signing for 2.5M either. He already makes 3.5M+ , is being productive on the second like and is a consistent penalty killer. He makes 4.5-5M in open market and max home team discount for him would be a 4M 3-4 year deal
Jan. 3, 2020 at 8:09 a.m.
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Way too much for Hughes and Demko. Benning has shown with Brock ( and to an extent Horvat) that he isn’t going to give mega-contract without literally being top of the league numbers, on the back of 2 years performance. Hughes contract is up next year and he cannot be offer-sheeted. He is not consistently on the PK , never mind top PK guy to go along with his top production like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad, etc. So he max gets 5.5-6 mil 3 years or 7-7.5 mil long term.

Same with Demko, if Bennington didn’t get over 5M, Demko as RFA won’t either. If he is still around, and starter to boot, his next contract is max in 3-4 million range.

Oh and Tanner Pearson isn’t signing for 2.5M either. He already makes 3.5M+ , is being productive on the second like and is a consistent penalty killer. He makes 4.5-5M in open market and max home team discount for him would be a 4M 3-4 year deal


Every fan on here pumps the tires of their players until it's time to pay them. Then they are lesser and don't deserve top dollar. Petterson and Hughes are getting huge contracts or they may get one of those entirely short sighted new bridge deals where the last year has a massive number that gives them huge qualifying offers. Either way these two are getting paid big.
Jan. 3, 2020 at 9:08 a.m.
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Not sure I agree with all the contracts (ie. Demko), but you do show that even with Hoglander and Pod one try level deals, the Canucks don’t have much cap room
Jan. 3, 2020 at 5:22 p.m.
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IMO price wise but keeping your term

Pettersson - 8 yrs 11-12m/ yr
Hughes - 8 yrs 7m (he will likely bridge for 3-5 years and then sign big money once he is more developed)
Demko - 7 yrs 5m (again will likely bridge for 2-4 more years to develop into a #1 starter)
Pearson - 2 yrs 3.5m

thats 2.25m less than what you have. a bit more manageable but the next year Boeser expires. so there are no years off for management
Jan. 5, 2020 at 2:02 a.m.
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Every fan on here pumps the tires of their players until it's time to pay them. Then they are lesser and don't deserve top dollar. Petterson and Hughes are getting huge contracts or they may get one of those entirely short sighted new bridge deals where the last year has a massive number that gives them huge qualifying offers. Either way these two are getting paid big.


Hughes May get EK money if he puts EK like seasons for 3-4 years. 50-60 points as a D without killing penalties regularly will be an Ehrhoff range deal but with young player inflation, so like 6-7 mil max. Also you forget, big part is, Hughes cannot be offersheeted. That’s big coz he can’t hold out for a mega contract from someone else. That makes it hard for him to hold out on a 6x3years deal.

Also no chance Demko is getting 7.5 mil without running starter duties and winning lots as starter or posting .930 or better as a backup this year and next. That’s just way too much for a ok stat goalie with not much experience or eye popping numbers at the NHL. He just doesn’t make more than Bennington, not without him winning the cup as starter for Canucks this year or next
Jan. 5, 2020 at 2:05 a.m.
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Hughes May get EK money if he puts EK like seasons for 3-4 years. 50-60 points as a D without killing penalties regularly will be an Ehrhoff range deal but with young player inflation, so like 6-7 mil max. Also you forget, big part is, Hughes cannot be offersheeted. That’s big coz he can’t hold out for a mega contract from someone else. That makes it hard for him to hold out on a 6x3years deal.

Also no chance Demko is getting 7.5 mil without running starter duties and winning lots as starter or posting .930 or better as a backup this year and next. That’s just way too much for a ok stat goalie with not much experience or eye popping numbers at the NHL. He just doesn’t make more than Bennington, not without him winning the cup as starter for Canucks this year or next


Demko won't get too much but Hughes and Petterson are getting paid.
Jan. 5, 2020 at 2:10 a.m.
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Realistic deals at current scoring and playing rates :

Pettersson : 8 years @ 9.5M
Hughes: 3-4 years @6M
Demko: 3 years @3/4M
Virtanen:6 years at 3.5M
Pearson: 6 years at 4.5M
Stecher: 4 years at 3M
Gaudette: 3 years at 3M

Total for these players for me: 32.5-33.5M
For you: 39M

That’s 6.5-5.5 saved right there.
Jan. 5, 2020 at 2:13 a.m.
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Demko won't get too much but Hughes and Petterson are getting paid.


Pettersson is, Hughes is not till his next next contract. No chance an ELC with no arbitration or offer sheet eligibility gets 9.5M as a defender. That makes him the top 4 paid defenders in the league with zero bargain power. Just doesn’t happen. He either takes a lot less for term or team gives him bridge deal of 6-7 million backloaded to make next qualifying offer a min 7-8 mil offer.
Jan. 5, 2020 at 3:02 a.m.
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Realistic deals at current scoring and playing rates :

Pettersson : 8 years @ 9.5M
Hughes: 3-4 years @6M
Demko: 3 years @3/4M
Virtanen:6 years at 3.5M
Pearson: 6 years at 4.5M
Stecher: 4 years at 3M
Gaudette: 3 years at 3M

Total for these players for me: 32.5-33.5M
For you: 39M

That’s 6.5-5.5 saved right there.


Hughes won't get a bridge. He is simply too good for that.
Demko might get a bridge. I mirrored my deal after the Gibson deal if we take a risk.
Virtanen could get that. Not an awful assessment.
Pearson will not get that. Although he is on a career pace, he is too inconsistent in the past to receive 6 years. Give him that term at 3 or 4 years. I agree i bought low with my deal.
I''d inverse the stecher deal to 4x3 but same money so OK i guess
I see gaudette doing 2 years not 3. Won't knock you there.

Biggest thing is that players always get more than we expect. Most of my knocks against your assessment is the term and not the value. Term is from consistency, money is from recent performance.
Jan. 5, 2020 at 3:27 a.m.
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Pettersson is, Hughes is not till his next next contract. No chance an ELC with no arbitration or offer sheet eligibility gets 9.5M as a defender. That makes him the top 4 paid defenders in the league with zero bargain power. Just doesn’t happen. He either takes a lot less for term or team gives him bridge deal of 6-7 million backloaded to make next qualifying offer a min 7-8 mil offer.


Then it's going to he a 2-3 year deal with the final year being 9 million minimum meaning the QO will be that high
Jan. 5, 2020 at 8:37 p.m.
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Hughes won't get a bridge. He is simply too good for that.
Demko might get a bridge. I mirrored my deal after the Gibson deal if we take a risk.
Virtanen could get that. Not an awful assessment.
Pearson will not get that. Although he is on a career pace, he is too inconsistent in the past to receive 6 years. Give him that term at 3 or 4 years. I agree i bought low with my deal.
I''d inverse the stecher deal to 4x3 but same money so OK i guess
I see gaudette doing 2 years not 3. Won't knock you there.

Biggest thing is that players always get more than we expect. Most of my knocks against your assessment is the term and not the value. Term is from consistency, money is from recent performance.


As I said, Hughes is definitely not getting top-3 in league defenseman money on the back of 2 full seasons and no arbitration or offer sheet ability. If he wants term, he will have to take payment in the 6-7M range and if he wants more than that, he will not get term. Benning is not Dubas, he is conservative with his money aspect.

Agreed, Pearson may not get that long a term but he may hunt for the last long term contract of his career.
Stecher won’t make a dime above 3M because he is a 3rd pairing defenseman who doesn’t play PP or PK. He is also local boy, who may take term for discount.
Jan. 5, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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Then it's going to he a 2-3 year deal with the final year being 9 million minimum meaning the QO will be that high

You are probably right. Assuming he gets two back to back 50-60 point seasons and doesn’t start figuring in the PK, his contract may just be a 4.5+5.5+7+8 = 25M at shade over 6M with a qualifying offer of 8M in his last year as RFA status.
Jan. 5, 2020 at 8:42 p.m.
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You are probably right. Assuming he gets two back to back 50-60 point seasons and doesn’t start figuring in the PK, his contract may just be a 4.5+5.5+7+8 = 25M at shade over 6M with a qualifying offer of 8M in his last year as RFA status.


60 points for a young defenceman is pretty insane.
Jan. 5, 2020 at 9:40 p.m.
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60 points for a young defenceman is pretty insane.


It is. But as I said, he does not kill penalties yet, which considerably lowers $ value for a defenseman. At current rate, he may project to Ehrhoff style contract if long term. I just don’t see top 5 in league money for a guy with zero negotiation leverage and only 2 full seasons work to go by, when his numbers are not top5 in the league. 6-7 million bucks as an RFA defenseman on his second contract is a pretty insane value too.
Jan. 6, 2020 at 12:24 a.m.
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It is. But as I said, he does not kill penalties yet, which considerably lowers $ value for a defenseman. At current rate, he may project to Ehrhoff style contract if long term. I just don’t see top 5 in league money for a guy with zero negotiation leverage and only 2 full seasons work to go by, when his numbers are not top5 in the league. 6-7 million bucks as an RFA defenseman on his second contract is a pretty insane value too.


Two year deal with the second year being 8+
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Jan. 6, 2020 at 4:03 a.m.
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Two year deal with the second year being 8+


Maybe. If his final year is 8M or more I am expecting a 3-4 year deal. Simply because there are only 7 defenseman in the entire NHL who makes 8M or more, all of them kill penalties and all of them got their 8M+ contracts after 5-7 years in the league, none after just 2+ hope of 2 more years of excellence. As you get to the top end of defenseman salary, established performance gets money, not pure potential. Defenseman contracts work significantly differently in this than forward contracts, who often get paid a lot on just promise.
 
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