There has got be be a cheaper way to get some depth on right wing than Kylington and a 1st. I still think that Jankowski has value even though he is having a shirt year.

Palmieri is far more than just depth. He'd be a real impact player for the Flames. Terrific two way wing at 4.65 mil for this and next season. If the Devils would be willing to trade him, I think Flames should be in the mix ...

I realize he is an impact player i just don't like trading youth in the form of Kylington and a First. I just think that is short sighted. I would rather trade for someone who might be as impactful right now but is younger and has more cost certainty past next year.

I don't disagree but you're not getting a top 6 winger with another season of term for less, could swap Kylington for a couple B-prospects but the 1st has to be there, it'd probably take a similar package as Muzzin cost.

In that case i would target someone who is not 28 years old and headed for UFA after next year. Maybe try and take a run at Kapanen from the Leafs or someone else 24-25 years old with potential.

I very much agree and think he'd be a great addition for many teams, I think Kapanen's value might be considerably higher then many of us on here think it is though.

Do you mean his value in terms of what you would have to offer for Dubas to trade him or his actual value as in how good he actually is or could be given a larger role? Or both i suppose.

Also someone else from the leafs they could target would be Hyman. He is older like Palmieri although a year younger and would cost much less to acquire while also not providing as much offensive boom but plays in all roles really well and is great defensively on the penalty kill, while scoring 40-50 points.

Well I think both for Kapanen but was more meaning in terms of acquisition value, like there's a lot of players that we all have a perceived value of like said player is worth a 2nd and a B-prospect for example to acquire but I wouldn't be surprised if many of these guys would take more to acquire then what we on here think which may partially be why we so few trades.

Yeah i suppose thats what happens when each GM wants to win trades. Each has a certain value for there player(s) and wants to get good value for them. I wish we saw a little more free wheeling when it came to trades just for the entertainment value.

I agree, gotta wonder why these GM's are so risk averse, it's like some of them don't even want to try to improve their roster/lineup.. Lol

Unless they're all so egotistical they won't give at all cause they're worried about losing a deal and looking dumb so they just won't do anything, even smaller deals.

I say this with respect... it's a unicorn. GMs have jobs to do. There are costs to doing business and the Flames can certainly pass on a guy who can have 2 year impact at below market value or not ... but be honest with yourself, these guys are rare. 4.85 mil for that kind of two way play? I think most GMs would pay speculative assets for that. Just my opinion. I'm not a GM, but I like to be fair.

I say this with respect as well but i dont consider Palmieri a game breaker or anything. He has been a player good for about 30 goals and 25 assists. He was a great pick up by the Devils and im sure he has 3-4 more years of production at or around that rate, but for a season and a half i wouldn't give up a promising young D and a 1st rounder plus Jankowski and a 5th as a throw in. When he arrives on your team more than half way through the year he probably isn't going to be great right away, there is usually an adjustment period. Resigning him when hes age 30 1/2 years old seems like another Neal situation waiting to happen. He would probably want more money as well 6-7 M at least. To that i say no thank you and try my best to get someone younger who might not produce at a 55 point pace right now but will grow into it.

We should do what the devils did and try to get a player like Palmieri when the devils first got him. He was a 24 year old scoring at a 30 - 40 point pace. We should be going out to find the next Palmieri instead of trying to pick him up at a premium right when he's about to get more expensive and start his decline. That just makes to much sense to me.

You are 100% right about all that ... its just really difficult to pull that trade off. For every Palmieri trade, Shero also had a few Mirco Mueller's. Really just comes down to if you want someone to be productive now, short term or take a shot at a younger player. Id prefer to stay pat too in this case, but you never know what the organization is thinking.