The only trade I like is the Zucker one

The only one I’m iffy on is the Risto. But Henrique is expendable. Like cap hits fills a need.

I’m not sure I would like to make this deal now, maybe at the beginning of the season, but now Risto is pretty well and Henrique contract does not seem attractive for its production.

20 goal 2/3C? That’s what he’s on pace for on a poor team.

Toronto won’t even consider trading nylander for a defenseman like Manson. Nylander have already 2 60 point season and is on pace for over 70. Manson isn’t even a top 50 defenseman in the league. Sam steel is sure interesting but not enough to draw real interest.

40 points, almost 6 million a year, maybe his game will decline in a couple of years. I'm not saying that I don’t like Enrique as a player, but I would seriously think or look for cheaper options.

Manson is also a pure DFD, he's a decent 2 or 3

Toronto has 2 D signed next year and one RFA. They’ll need Dmen. They get at worst a number 4 guy, a young 3C who could grow into a 2c and 2M+ in cap space. Can’t judge a defensemen based solely on points especially a defensive minded guy. You can dislike the trade based on Manson’s play this season since he returned from his knee injury but don’t base it solely on which player has more points.

He is a second pairing defenseman. That where he would be on a playoff team. The fact that asking nylander in a trade for Manson is completely insane. The value is completely off. Manson would barely get you jjohnsson. Manson have been a 15-20 point guy for most of is career with correct metrics except that one season who he had 37 and was over his number in almost every category.

Henrique will be 34 when his deal expires. There’s plenty of guys 34 or older that have maintained their play. The cap is similar and I don’t think you’ll fill the 2C spot with any one at significantly cheaper cap hit without giving up more than Risto. Figured Risto for Henrique made sense for both teams to fill some holes.

I could judge this on any point of view and your evaluation would still be terrible. A 23 years old 70 + point forward will cost a lot more than a Manson. The ducks only defenseman that would interest the leafs in a nylander trade would be lindholm. There not a gm who will trade young players like nylander for average defenseman. You can argue all day long but in the end if you trade manson to the leafs you will get a winger like johnsson or kapanen. Even with sam steel in the deal.

Last season the leafs were bottom 5 in cycle chances against. I’d like to see those numbers for this year because I bet they’re pretty poor again. Manson helps with that. If you wanna hate on a Dman because he doesn’t put up 60+ points go for it but don’t act like that package is god awful.

So you're using points... A completely offensive metric to measure how good a DEFENSIVE DEFENSEman is... Not to mention it's gonna have to be an overpay for ANA to trade him, and you're getting a younger (ED exempt) likely high end 2C as a return as well, ik Nylander is a legit first liner, but that's not a horrible return imp

You’re delusional if you think Manson and Steel are only worth Johnsson or Kapanen. Good talk bud.

Leafs and Sabres need more, doubt the Wild would have any interest in dealing Zucker for that stuff.

This package is god awful. Your evaluation is so off that is almost funny. Your pretending that manson is a top prize defenseman. I mean they trade for muzzin last year and they got him for 2 season. For a late first and two b prospect. Muzzin is by far superior to Manson. How can 2 and a half year of Manson can land you Nylander????

That a horrible return. The fact that nylander is by far the best player in that trade, that he is sign for 6 more years at a very good prize and that manson is making a lot of money for only 2 and a half season before turning to ufa and that sam steel have potential but have showed nothing yet is terrible evaluation.

So 2 second pairing Ds have values that are so different that ones worth nothing and ones worth a late first and 2 b prospects? Yeah this conversation is going nowhere it’s been a good talk. Keep doing you.

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Hey guy would you help us here. What evaluation can you make from that deal
Tor nylander for ana manson and sam steel

What are you talking about i never said that manson had no value but if a guy like muzzin get you a late first and 2 b prospect there no way Manson is getting you Nylander even with sam steel or isaac lunderstrom or whoever prospect you throw in.

Maybe so, all the same, our GM seems to not even know that we need a center.

You Really love Josh Manson. Did you get the wedding ring yet. Because you ar acting like Buttman when the pens are in trouble

No I realize he's the only competent NHL RHD the ducks currently have in the system for the next 3 or so years

We ain’t dumb dude, but you overrate and overvalue him to crap

It's called team needs, if he was on a team like even PIT, he wouldn't have 1/2 the value he does (though I feel like you're underrating him)