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Trading Edmundson TvR Fleury and McGinn

Created by: Caniac2000
Team: 2019-20 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 7, 2020
Published: Jan. 7, 2020
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The Dmundson trade doesn't have to be Detroit, it was just the first team I clicked on, for a package like this
Free Agent Signings
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Williams, Justin
1$700,000
Trades
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  1. 2020 6th round pick (WPG)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
  3. 2021 5th round pick (WPG)
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This allows them to waive Sbia and Gustafsson
5th becomes a 4th if TvR resigns,
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CAR
  1. Svechnikov, Evgeny
  2. 2020 5th round pick (DET)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
2nd is conditional on Edmundson re-signing
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  1. 2020 4th round pick (BUF)
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20$81,500,000$73,455,666$0$3,207,500$8,044,334
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$4,025,000$4,025,000
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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I'll take Edmundson in Winnipeg please!
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Rooney
I'll take Edmundson in Winnipeg please!


I was thinking about that, but I thought Fleury was a better fit long term because he's younger and he's got long term cost control.
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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Are you trying to make us miss the playoffs?

Keep Edmundson for the cup run.

This is a big downgrade to our current team
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.
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Are you trying to make us miss the playoffs?

Keep Edmundson for the cup run.

This is a big downgrade to our current team


Is it? Edmundson is a liability. He's a major issue on the back end and he needs to go. He doesn't belong in the top 4 over Gardiner, and Roddy is gonna keep trying to force him into the top 4 over Jake. He needs to go for our own good.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.
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Is it? Edmundson is a liability. He's a major issue on the back end and he needs to go. He doesn't belong in the top 4 over Gardiner, and Roddy is gonna keep trying to force him into the top 4 over Jake. He needs to go for our own good.


Well we have 2 very different opinions. I think Edmundson makes our team way better. Also Jake has the worst +/- in the league, his play hinders us most of the time.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Edmundson in Chicago
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:34 p.m.
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@Caniac2000 you can make the argument that neither Edmundson or Gardiner currently deserve top 4 mins. I continue to be confused as to why Canes fans want to trade Fleury. I think he should be given a chance at top 4 mins before we trade him.
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:37 p.m.
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Trading away 3 NHL-calibre defencemen for just draft picks is a silly thing to do for any contending team, no matter how good/bad you think these players are. That Winnipeg trade is particularly bad as you are likely never getting anything out of those draft picks.

It is refreshing to see another fan base arguing about Jake Gardner though, I got tired of defending him as a Maple Leaf.
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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I said this in a different post too, but Gardiner doesn’t look right to me. He’s laboring in the ice and doesn’t appear to be the same skater he was just a few years ago. Wondering if the back injury has changed his skating stride for the worse...I think the Canes didn’t have time to work with him since he was signed on the eve of camp.

Quoting: newballcoach
Trading away 3 NHL-calibre defencemen for just draft picks is a silly thing to do for any contending team, no matter how good/bad you think these players are. That Winnipeg trade is particularly bad as you are likely never getting anything out of those draft picks.

It is refreshing to see another fan base arguing about Jake Gardner though, I got tired of defending him as a Maple Leaf.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.
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Whether you should trade a particular defenseman or what that player's value in trade is may be up for debate. What should NOT be up for debate is whether you want to trade away all of your defensive depth. Trading away Edmundson, Van Riemsdyk and Fleury leaves you no room for error or, more accurately, no room for injury. God forbid that one of your top 4 (whichever they are) get injured, but if they do, your strategy would result in playing two AHLers on that side.

You are apparently aggravated by Edmundson's recent play. I get that -- what do you think watching Kurtis MacDermid and Ben Hutton and Michael Del Zotto and Korbinian Holzer and even Josh Manson from time to time every night is like? But you can't let that overwhelm your need for depth on the back line.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.
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Quoting: jslongo
Well we have 2 very different opinions. I think Edmundson makes our team way better. Also Jake has the worst +/- in the league, his play hinders us most of the time.


Using +/- as a viable stat is funny. His analytics suggest Edmundson is the worst D man in the elague, and that Gardiner's +/- issue is because he's vastly underperforming his xGF for the eyar
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Whether you should trade a particular defenseman or what that player's value in trade is may be up for debate. What should NOT be up for debate is whether you want to trade away all of your defensive depth. Trading away Edmundson, Van Riemsdyk and Fleury leaves you no room for error or, more accurately, no room for injury. God forbid that one of your top 4 (whichever they are) get injured, but if they do, your strategy would result in playing two AHLers on that side.

You are apparently aggravated by Edmundson's recent play. I get that -- what do you think watching Kurtis MacDermid and Ben Hutton and Michael Del Zotto and Korbinian Holzer and even Josh Manson from time to time every night is like? But you can't let that overwhelm your need for depth on the back line.


It's not just Edmundson's play, his analytics show he's horrific.

Fleury is gonna be passed in the depth chart by Bean and Priskie

TvR is currently the healthy extra

In general it's a log jam, so I just think the best thing to do is just wash EVERYTHING out
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: newballcoach
Trading away 3 NHL-calibre defencemen for just draft picks is a silly thing to do for any contending team, no matter how good/bad you think these players are. That Winnipeg trade is particularly bad as you are likely never getting anything out of those draft picks.

It is refreshing to see another fan base arguing about Jake Gardner though, I got tired of defending him as a Maple Leaf.


It's not an argument with Gardiner, he's shown he's good. We also don't have anywhere nearly as large a fan base as Toronto, so les speople want to murder him at any one time.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 12:59 p.m.
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@Caniac2000 you can make the argument that neither Edmundson or Gardiner currently deserve top 4 mins. I continue to be confused as to why Canes fans want to trade Fleury. I think he should be given a chance at top 4 mins before we trade him.


Because of Bean. Gardiner has been well deserving of top 4 ice time, every advanced statistic suggests he's a 40 point D man, except his production isn't there. His scoring is unsustainably low, and he's on pace for like 5 points every game
Jan. 7, 2020 at 1:04 p.m.
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It's not just Edmundson's play, his analytics show he's horrific.

Fleury is gonna be passed in the depth chart by Bean and Priskie

TvR is currently the healthy extra

In general it's a log jam, so I just think the best thing to do is just wash EVERYTHING out


If you want to argue that these are moves that should be made in the off-season, I'm with you for the reasons you list. My point is that mid-season is a very risky time to come down to a skeleton staff.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 1:06 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
If you want to argue that these are moves that should be made in the off-season, I'm with you for the reasons you list. My point is that mid-season is a very risky time to come down to a skeleton staff.


In the offseason makes no sense, Edmundson and TvR are both free agents. My idea was to get one of Bean or Priskie into the lineup ASAP, by moving these 3 out, while reminding people we have guys like Claesson and McKeown who can fill in too
Jan. 7, 2020 at 1:16 p.m.
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In the offseason makes no sense, Edmundson and TvR are both free agents. My idea was to get one of Bean or Priskie into the lineup ASAP, by moving these 3 out, while reminding people we have guys like Claesson and McKeown who can fill in too


Aha. Yes, I forgot to check their free agent status. Now your strategy makes more sense. Never mind.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 1:19 p.m.
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Aha. Yes, I forgot to check their free agent status. Now your strategy makes more sense. Never mind.


Thank you. It's nothing against any of these players they're all good players (except Edmundson tears of joy ) but I think it's better off moving them for respective reasons. I did just post an ammendment, please feel free to take a look
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 1:24 p.m.
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Thank you. It's nothing against any of these players they're all good players (except Edmundson tears of joy ) but I think it's better off moving them for respective reasons. I did just post an ammendment, please feel free to take a look


Yeah, I saw it and liked it. But you should still point out in your Team Explanation that Edmundson is a UFA to protect dolts like me from making fools of ourselves.
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.
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Yeah, I saw it and liked it. But you should still point out in your Team Explanation that Edmundson is a UFA to protect dolts like me from making fools of ourselves.


Hey, half this website is people making fools of themselves, don't feel bad
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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You can't expect much going into the playoffs with this as your 5/6 d. Instead of 6 picks, must improve d depth, even a sideways deal. It wasn't long ago when Canes were considered as having the best 6 pack in the NHL.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: DoubleADoubleK
You can't expect much going into the playoffs with this as your 5/6 d. Instead of 6 picks, must improve d depth, even a sideways deal. It wasn't long ago when Canes were considered as having the best 6 pack in the NHL.


They still do, with the current D core. My point is from a contractual standpoint, TvR and Eddy are UFA, and Fleury is going to be passed by Jake Bean as early as next year, this doesn't have to be the D core, you can pick up someone like Irwin from Nashville to throw on the 3rd pairing if it makes you feel better, or take someone of waivers. It was just to get the best long term for this team
 
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