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Created by: chowfe
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 7, 2020
Published: Jan. 7, 2020
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Free Agent Signings
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Caufield, Cole3$950,000
Harris, Jordan3$800,000
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël3$800,000
Hillis, Cameron3$800,000
Norlinder, Mattias3$900,000
Olofsson, Jacob3$900,000
Romanov, Alexander3$950,000
Ylönen, Jesse3$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Cousins, Nick1$1,000,000
Domi, Max4$6,500,000
Evans, Jake2$1,000,000
Juulsen, Noah2$1,000,000
McNiven, Michael2$1,000,000
Mete, Victor3$2,500,000
Vejdemo, Lukas2$1,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafreniere, Alexis3$950,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Byram, Bowen
  2. Grubauer, Philipp
  3. Kaut, Martin
COL
  1. Price, Carey
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
2.
MTL
  1. 2020 1st round pick (NSH)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (NJD)
NSH
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. 2020 4th round pick (WPG)
  3. 2020 4th round pick (ANA)
3.
MTL
  1. 2020 1st round pick (DET)
DET
  1. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
  2. 2020 1st round pick (NSH)
Buyouts
  • Jordan Weal: $400,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Brett Kulak: $925,000 (50%)
  • Ben Chiarot: $1,750,000 (50%)
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$61,197,141$0$6,932,500$20,302,859
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 3
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Domi, Max
$6,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
Lafreniere, Alexis
$950,000
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Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C
UFA - 2
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Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
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Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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Kaut, Martin
$863,333
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RFA - 3
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Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
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UFA - 3
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Chiarot, Ben
$1,750,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 2
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Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
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Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
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Romanov, Alexander
$950,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
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Primeau, Cayden
$880,833
G
RFA - 2
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Byram, Bowen
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
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Fleury, Cale
$771,666
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Cousins, Nick
$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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Kulak, Brett
$925,000
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Mete, Victor
$2,500,000
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RFA - 1

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Jan. 7, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.
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this trade would have been good 5 years ago
Jan. 7, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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So the trade is one of the worst goalies in the last 2 years with the worst contract in the NHL for a young superstar to be defenceman??????
Jan. 7, 2020 at 3:58 p.m.
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That Det trade would work if we have a top 3 pick. We might have to add a second as well. The Price trade isnt happening unfortunately
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 3:59 p.m.
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Why on Earth would Avs do this?
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
So the trade is one of the worst goalies in the last 2 years with the worst contract in the NHL for a young superstar to be defenceman??????

Lol Price isnt one of the worst goalies... He is still a number one playing for a bad team. He is just not playing like a 10,5m goalie right now. Stop saying **** about other teams player if you dont know ****
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:04 p.m.
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Lol Price isnt one of the worst goalies... He is still a number one playing for a bad team. He is just not playing like a 10,5m goalie right now. Stop saying **** about other teams player if you dont know ****


Yah meanwhile Primeau has been one of the best goalies in the league..... TOP 5
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.
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Lol Price isnt one of the worst goalies... He is still a number one playing for a bad team. He is just not playing like a 10,5m goalie right now. Stop saying **** about other teams player if you dont know ****


His overall performance equals out to being basically an average goalie... Grubauer>Price
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.
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Why on Earth would Avs do this?

with price in net they'd be cup contenders for the next 5 years min. and ranta,mac,land are in their prime years
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.
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with price in net they'd be cup contenders for the next 5 years min. and ranta,mac,land are in their prime years


If it was 2013-2017 Carey Price? Yes
If it were talking about current Carey Price? NO.
Would you be willing to get a Erik Karlsson since the Habs really need helps on the blueline?
Let's say Cole Caufield, Martin Jones, Alexander Romanov for Erik Karlsson?
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
His overall performance equals out to being basically an average goalie... Grubauer>Price


price is a top 3 / top 5 goalie in the league per players and GMs.. i dont see grubauer anywhere near
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.
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I think the col trade could be possible if MTL retrains like 40 to 50% of the salary. If not it could never ever happen
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: chowfe
with price in net they'd be cup contenders for the next 5 years min. and ranta,mac,land are in their prime years


At the moment Grubauer is better than Price, both statistically and contractually.

Actually, when looking at the contracts, Price's is as bad as it gets.
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:18 p.m.
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LMAO
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
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Quoting: math731
Lol Price isnt one of the worst goalies... He is still a number one playing for a bad team. He is just not playing like a 10,5m goalie right now. Stop saying **** about other teams player if you dont know ****


Bergevin is basically paying for what he has previously done which was a horrible decision. Aside from that, based on what I saw, the defence shouldn't be the excuse of Price's current performance. If that were the case, then Andrei Markov and PK Subban are the "real" 2015 Hart trophy winner.
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
At the moment Grubauer is better than Price, both statistically and contractually.

Actually, when looking at the contracts, Price's is as bad as it gets.


actually Bobrovsky is as bad as it gets
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:20 p.m.
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Quoting: EzioUchiha
If it was 2013-2017 Carey Price? Yes
If it were talking about current Carey Price? NO.
Would you be willing to get a Erik Karlsson since the Habs really need helps on the blueline?


Current Price is having strugle because of the team he has in front, its hard to compete an steal wins night after night with a team full of AHL players
If you trade for Karlsson, SJ will be asking for active players wich mtl are not open to trade if they still want to compete for playoffs
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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price is a top 3 / top 5 goalie in the league per players and GMs.. i dont see grubauer anywhere near


Because NHL GM's and players are so smart. rolling eyes
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:29 p.m.
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Current Price is having strugle because of the team he has in front, its hard to compete an steal wins night after night with a team full of AHL players
If you trade for Karlsson, SJ will be asking for active players wich mtl are not open to trade if they still want to compete for playoffs


If it's solely on the team in front of him why did Gibson put up fantastic numbers last year with a probably worse team in front of him, and his hdSV% GSAA, and GSAx (all which take out the team on front of him much more than SV%) are all about average... (Gibson's were elite last year)
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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Man, montreal fans are straight up delusional about price.

He has negative trade value with that contract
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Because NHL GM's and players are so smart. rolling eyes


and in a better position to judge than you!
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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Price has negative trade value at this point in his career
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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Price is untradeable. Especially with that no move clause
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.
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Quoting: math731
Lol Price isnt one of the worst goalies... He is still a number one playing for a bad team. He is just not playing like a 10,5m goalie right now. Stop saying **** about other teams player if you dont know ****


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price is a top 3 / top 5 goalie in the league per players and GMs.. i dont see grubauer anywhere near



Out of the goalies over the last 2 years with over 2000 minutes TOI (52 goalies)

Price ranks 22nd in SV% (0.9115) - Grub is 15th at (0.9134)

now obviously there's a huge team element there so if you take a look at their performance against expectations, which attempts to isolate goalie results from their team's performance, the picture continues to show price hasnt been good. Expectations look at the difficulty of each save and compare it to the expected save % for that situation, and price has been below average.


Price ranks 33rd in dSV% at -0.25% below xSV% Grub is 24th at 0.08 above xSV% (dSV% = SV% - xSV% - aka difference between SV% and what they are expected to stop).

Price ranks 37th in Goals Saved Above Average at -7.46 GSAA while Grubauer is at 24th with a +1.51 GSAA


So Grub roughly meets expectations of a goalie in his situation, while price has been below average for a goalie in his situation.

That doesnt sound like the kind of goalie I want making $10.5MM, let alone having to give up a decent goalie making $7MM less, and 2 blue chip prospects, Kaut and Byram are 2 of the Avs most recent first round picks.


The habs would have to do Price++ to move that contract at full value for a goalie like grub.
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Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:48 p.m.
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do hats fans crave attention, bc there is no other reason on earth they would keep on posting these horrible Price trades to Colorado.
Its just embarrassing at how bad they are
Jan. 7, 2020 at 4:54 p.m.
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actually Bobrovsky is as bad as it gets


they both stink, but at least Bob is 500k less and has a M-NTC during the final 2 years of his deal. Price has a straight up NMC the entire length of his contract. Thats just a ticking Time bomb
 
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