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Team: 2019-20 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 8, 2020
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 6:21 p.m.
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Quoting: pharrow
if he's so bad, why do you want him?
Honestly, we both know you are FOS.


I want him to fill in for Pánik and I literally said that. You actually read it.

“I think Anderson is good and would fit nicely on the 3rd line”. Where did you read I think he’s bad? This comment alone is why I think you are thoughtless
Jan. 10, 2020 at 12:02 a.m.
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But only because it's inside the division.

Winnipeg accepts, and laughs all the way to the playoffs.

This is probably better as a three way trade, since the Jackets would totally take a B prospect and a 2nd from a west coast team for Anderson, as bad as he is this year, and the Jets would rather have Jensen than Anderson.


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But only because it's inside the division.

Winnipeg accepts, and laughs all the way to the playoffs.

This is probably better as a three way trade, since the Jackets would totally take a B prospect and a 2nd from a west coast team for Anderson, as bad as he is this year, and the Jets would rather have Jensen than Anderson.


Djoo over Jensen?
Jan. 10, 2020 at 4:37 a.m.
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Djoo over Jensen?


The coaches don't seem to want Djoos on a shutdown pair. He's good on offense, but he's not Carlson or Orlov good, so to make the above lineup work, Djoos probably plays with one of those two guys, on an all out offensive pair.

Jensen, Gudas, and Kempny are all pretty good. With the team's depth on the left side, and the great season Kempny's having, I'd figure if anyone gets traded it's the guy they can get value for and replace most easily, but that certainly depends on what the returns are. Jensen has stayed solid through the team's holiday slump, and might be worth more right now? I don't know.
Jan. 10, 2020 at 5:16 a.m.
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No, not "anyway". You are just lying to yourself.

Who said he was hot garbage? Who even hinted at that? You are so far off in this AGM thread that i don't even know if you realize that you are on the computer.

You already backpeddled on the "rival" thing... keep going with that trend.


ri·val
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a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.

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Jan. 10, 2020 at 5:19 a.m.
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Edited Jan. 10, 2020 at 5:25 a.m.
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Or player that had 1 good season playing with Panarin? He’s a 30-35 point player who’s having a down year. “Good” is subjective. A second round pick is considered “good” also. LucaJo is also considered “good”. He was a 1st round pick with is pretty “good”. But again this doesn’t excuse your thoughtless original comment. I think Andersson is good and would fit nicely on the 3rd line. Getting a former 1st round pick paired with a 2nd round pick in a deep draft is a solid return for a bottom 6 player. Just so we are clear CBJ thought Duclair was a “bad” player or a “pittance”.


Anderson didn't play with Panarin, nice try though

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/a/anderjo05/scoring/2019
https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/a/anderjo05/scoring/2018

They combined for 13 goals in 2 seasons, but please tell me more about how he only had those #s because of bread
Jan. 10, 2020 at 7:48 a.m.
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Edited Jan. 10, 2020 at 8:43 a.m. by Jarvis
https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/a/anderjo05/scoring/2019
https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/a/anderjo05/scoring/2018

They combined for 13 goals in 2 seasons, but please tell me more about how he only had those #s because of bread[/quote]

2 season w “bread” 77 points. 2 years without “bread” 41 points. (29 plus his 12 points year pace). He played with him doesn’t mean same line it means Panarin was focus point. Numbers don’t lie he’s basically producing 50% lesss with Panarin off the team. He’s on pace for 12 points in an 82 point year. 12! Yes 12 points. Panarin is on pace for 116 points it’s clear as day who is thriving still and who is obviously struggling. Doesn’t take a genius to put the puzzle together. Anderson has 1 more point than Harrington and has played 8 more games than him haha.
Jan. 10, 2020 at 10:55 a.m.
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They hardly had the team. They should have stacked picks and prospects and went after it when they actually had a real opportunity to win. They could have got 2 first round picks plus a few high end prospects for both players. Either way the rivals comment was stupid and selling off assets will likely set them back for a couple years.


Well, when you have clown-boy as a coach you tend to do weird things.
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Jan. 10, 2020 at 11:00 a.m.
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Well, when you have clown-boy as a coach you tend to do weird things.


I just looked Anderson is on pace for 12 points in an 82 point season haha idk if I would actually do this trade now. Pánik might be better ha
Jan. 10, 2020 at 11:01 a.m.
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if anderson sucks so hard why do so many people want him?

Fact is he's a good player. He hasn't been healthy all year and hasn't had the kind of help on a line a role player needs. It is what it is. Don't blame the player. We know he can fill his role. He's done it before.


I didn't say that he sucks. I said that he is having a butt year. Are you saying that he is not having a bad year?

Take anything that I have posted about Anderson in this thread and tell me what is incorrect. Not excuses/explanation for whatever I said actually being correct, but what did I say about Anderson that is simply wrong...?
Jan. 10, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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ri·val
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Strawman. The discussion wasn't about the definition of "rival".

However, I do like that you signed your post that time.
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Jan. 10, 2020 at 8:23 p.m.
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I didn't say that he sucks. I said that he is having a butt year. Are you saying that he is not having a bad year?

Take anything that I have posted about Anderson in this thread and tell me what is incorrect. Not excuses/explanation for whatever I said actually being correct, but what did I say about Anderson that is simply wrong...?


just because someone is having a bad year doesn't mean teams are giving up on him. My god.
This poster thinks CBJ should just ship him off for basically nothing. A 2nd and a 1st that never developed enough to crack into WSH lineup. Get out of here with that.
Jan. 10, 2020 at 8:48 p.m.
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just because someone is having a bad year doesn't mean teams are giving up on him. My god.
This poster thinks CBJ should just ship him off for basically nothing. A 2nd and a 1st that never developed enough to crack into WSH lineup. Get out of here with that.


So then no one said he sucks and I didn't say anything that was incorrect. Gotcha
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Jan. 10, 2020 at 9:36 p.m.
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So then no one said he sucks and I didn't say anything that was incorrect. Gotcha


A “bad year” means a 12 point pace? He’s 25 years old having a career low. He’s a solid 3rd line winger. I think he adds solid grit but who’s giving up more than a 2nd a decent prospect for a guy that’s had 1 good year and is normally a 30-35 points player. Also nobody said he sucked in any of these post in this thread. Also LucaJo was a 1st round pick 3 years ago. Alex Nylander was basically a bust and pulled joki. Is poolparty value less than LucaJo bc he’s proved that he isn’t a good nhl player? How bout Shultz he was a bust for the oilers does he suck? How about Pettersson? He was 1 for 1 for sprong. He didn’t play great for the Ducks was he a bust? Orlov didn’t crack the capitals main roster till he was 22. Does he suck?
Jan. 10, 2020 at 9:38 p.m.
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just because someone is having a bad year doesn't mean teams are giving up on him. My god.
This poster thinks CBJ should just ship him off for basically nothing. A 2nd and a 1st that never developed enough to crack into WSH lineup. Get out of here with that.

Also LucaJo was a 1st round pick 3 years ago. Alex Nylander was basically a bust and pulled joki. Is poolparty value less than LucaJo bc he’s proved that he isn’t a good nhl player? How bout Shultz he was a bust for the oilers does he suck? How about Pettersson? He was 1 for 1 for sprong. He didn’t play great for the Ducks was he a bust? Orlov didn’t crack the capitals main roster till he was 22. Does he suck? You’re full of terrible takes. How many defenseman play at 18-19?

2nd round pick and a 2016 1st round pick is basically nothing? Yikes
Jan. 11, 2020 at 4:52 a.m.
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Also LucaJo was a 1st round pick 3 years ago. Alex Nylander was basically a bust and pulled joki. Is poolparty value less than LucaJo bc he’s proved that he isn’t a good nhl player? How bout Shultz he was a bust for the oilers does he suck? How about Pettersson? He was 1 for 1 for sprong. He didn’t play great for the Ducks was he a bust? Orlov didn’t crack the capitals main roster till he was 22. Does he suck? You’re full of terrible takes. How many defenseman play at 18-19?

2nd round pick and a 2016 1st round pick is basically nothing? Yikes



you keep trying to put lipstick on a pig. It's funny to watch.
We both know if Jensen was ever going to suit up for WSH he would be there by now.
It's not like beating out Djoos is some great challenge for a roster spot.
But his play has been poor at best and he's viewed in the organization as a bust.
You keep thinking you are salvaging anything out of this. You aren't.
As I said before. CBJ just laughs at you.
Jan. 11, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.
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you keep trying to put lipstick on a pig. It's funny to watch.
We both know if Jensen was ever going to suit up for WSH he would be there by now.
It's not like beating out Djoos is some great challenge for a roster spot.
But his play has been poor at best and he's viewed in the organization as a bust.
You keep thinking you are salvaging anything out of this. You aren't.
As I said before. CBJ just laughs at you.


Jensen has played 45 games this year for Washington.? You mean LucaJo? No he’s got hurt the last 2 years. A basic google search would have told you that. Djoo won a cup playing 3rd pairing minutes. He also was top 10 in scoring in the AHL the season before getting called up. Dude you really are clueless. It was more obvious when you said Jensen. Djoo would have been on this current roster and played more last season if he didn’t need emergency surgery on his leg. I feel like you just talk to see your self talk on here. If djoo wasn’t hurt currently I bet he would play over Jensen right now. I’d tell you stick to Pittsburgh related things but you’re just lost in general
Jan. 11, 2020 at 11:59 a.m.
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Jensen has played 45 games this year for Washington.? You mean LucaJo? No he’s got hurt the last 2 years. A basic google search would have told you that. Djoo won a cup playing 3rd pairing minutes. He also was top 10 in scoring in the AHL the season before getting called up. Dude you really are clueless. It was more obvious when you said Jensen. Djoo would have been on this current roster and played more last season if he didn’t need emergency surgery on his leg. I feel like you just talk to see your self talk on here. If djoo wasn’t hurt currently I bet he would play over Jensen right now. I’d tell you stick to Pittsburgh related things but you’re just lost in general


yeah sorry got the names mixed up but that doesn't change the facts.
It's a bad deal. You know it's a bad deal.
Hell you would love for this to happen. That tells Columbus all they need to know. You gain a lot lose a basically nothing.
that pig if yours must be all dolled out.
then again you're a caps fan. We expect no better tears of joy
Jan. 11, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.
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yeah sorry got the names mixed up but that doesn't change the facts.
It's a bad deal. You know it's a bad deal.
Hell you would love for this to happen. That tells Columbus all they need to know. You gain a lot lose a basically nothing.
that pig if yours must be all dolled out.
then again you're a caps fan. We expect no better tears of joy


Okay let’s break this down bc you just seem lost

Anderson is a solid/good player. He’s shown that he can play well but it’s happen 1 time. To be clear he had a great season where he scored 47 points. In 267 nhl games Anderson has 65g50a 115p that’s .43ppg or 35 points per year. He followed up a career year with a career low or on pace for a career low of 12 points in an 82 game year. (1g3a 4points in 26games)

Recent trade : Frolik was traded for a 4th round pick. He’s 6 years older and I’m noting this now and I understand he’s a ufa not a rfa. There’s value in a player being a Rfa over UFA but I’ll dive into this later.

Last season :65 gp 16g18a 34points (.52ppg) 42 points in a 82 game year
This year. 39gp 5g 5a 10 points. (.25ppg) 21 points in a 83 game year

Anderson.

Last year. 82gp 27g 20a 47p
This year 26gp 1g 3a 4p. (.15ppg or 12-13p in a 82 game year)

Frolik got a 4th. He’s older and a ufa had a very similar year to Anderson prior. 5 points different. He’s 6 years older

So cbj would laugh at my offer at a 2nd round pick roughly 60 picks higher and a former 1stbround pick that could be nhl ready this year or next year? Now an intelligent person would say “hey maybe add a more proven prospect “ or “ maybe cbj isn’t ready to give up on a 25 year old having a bad year” even though at 26 most players don’t get better. But you went with they laugh and hang up. Just a silly response. Again Anderson has more value than frolik and I added much more value to my trade. They are having similar last 2 seasons. Just saying logic vs you using none
 
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