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Team: 2020-21 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 9, 2020
Published: Jan. 9, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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3$2,750,000
3$3,500,000
1$700,000
1$800,000
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6$9,500,000
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22$84,000,000$74,625,515$306,349$425,000$9,374,485
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C
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RW, C
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RW
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UFA - 1
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LD
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UFA - 1
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:18 p.m.
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Being a cap team while contending for cups is business as usual, they'll manage. Blais probably gets 1-2 yrs at 1-1.5 mil - he has 15 NHL pts. Foley hasn't played a game in years. Bozak isn't worth that much at his age/cap hit.
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:23 p.m.
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This team is not in cap hell. I think of a team that’s in cap hell is a team that’s rebuilding or for from playoff contention that has serious cap issues. It’s not hell if you’re having cap problems and winning Stanley cups. Blues will be fine, they can get rid of Steen, Bozak, and Allen relatively easy. Not as easy with Steen I suppose, but doable. They are all very replaceable at a cheap cost.
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:24 p.m.
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Do you not consider the idea to let Pietrangelo test free agency? Are there any weakness on this club? A lot about a team success can be determined through internal bonds. The players are now champions, warriors ... they have been through the trenches.

If might be in the club’s best interest to hold onto their first and upgrade the roster with depth players costing the team less at TDL.

Yes it will be cap hell, if Pietrangelo is signed.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:28 p.m.
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Probably Petro not coming back
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
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Being a cap team while contending for cups is business as usual, they'll manage. Blais probably gets 1-2 yrs at 1-1.5 mil - he has 15 NHL pts. Foley hasn't played a game in years. Bozak isn't worth that much at his age/cap hit.


It’s only cap hell when you have players under performing contracts. Not a big fan of this petro deal or the Faulk deal but for now they are contributing parts to a winning team.
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:32 p.m.
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Could also easily trade Allen
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:32 p.m.
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Instead of buying out Steen ourselves and trading away Bozak, who has some limited no trade protection and has been quietly great, I would rather explore trading Allen and Steen as a package deal (and maybe adding a lower tier prospect or a pick to further entice taking away Steen), selling high on Allen who, though he has been excellent, is paid too much to be backup, while getting that other team to buyout Steen for us. That would free up a ton of money to re-sign Pietrangelo and the RFAs.

Steen is salaried at $3.5million in the last year of his contract, at a cap hit of $5.75million. A buyout would knock down the cap hit to $3.4million next year and $1.16million the following year, while he would get paid about $2.3million in real dollars. If we handshake Steen to sign him back after the buyout, Brooks Orpick-style, at $1.2million for the final year, that may be enough to convince Steen to waive his own no trade protection and go along with the trade and buyout on another team, as the one year deal and the buyout money would net him the $3.5million he would have gotten on the last year of his contract anyway. It basically would amount to him just doing some paperwork to help keep the team competitive.

Also worth noting that Foley hasn't played in years and Blais and Pietrangelo likely get less (but at max term), though Dunn likely gets more.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:33 p.m.
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Sorry, but most people's definition of cap hell n would unable to get rid of too many expensive unwanted contracts. Having 9.5m to spend on one UFA isn't cap hell.
IMO you just can't rid yourselves of Bozak and Allen without taking cap back in a trade.
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:36 p.m.
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It’s only cap hell when you have players under performing contracts. Not a big fan of this petro deal or the Faulk deal but for now they are contributing parts to a winning team.


For sure. The Faulk/Schenn/potential Petro deals could all look poor, but it's all about playoff success in these next few years. The Blues will want to squeeze every drop out of this core.

6 years for Petro isn't as unsettling as the possibility of him getting 7-8. He's not speedy or physical, he'll age like Ryan Suter IMO. Should still be a positive player in his mid-30s.
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksince71
Do you not consider the idea to let Pietrangelo test free agency? Are there any weakness on this club? A lot about a team success can be determined through internal bonds. The players are now champions, warriors ... they have been through the trenches.

If might be in the club’s best interest to hold onto their first and upgrade the roster with depth players costing the team less at TDL.

Yes it will be cap hell, if Pietrangelo is signed.


Letting Pietrangelo walk would open up a major weakness. Parayko might be able to take the reigns and Faulk step into the second pair, but it's not ideal. We are also pretty weak on the left side D, especially without Bouwmeester due to Gunnarsson's tendency to be injury prone and the newness of our LHD prospects. Also could maybe use a top-6 LW as Perron prefers the right and Thomas should be at center, though maybe Blais can take that spot back again.
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.
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Pietrangelo signs for less at a discount only because he wants to stay because Wife wants to Stay in St.Louis doesn’t want to move away from family. Happy Wife, Happy Life.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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Pietrangelo signs for less at a discount only because he wants to stay because Wife wants to Stay in St.Louis doesn’t want to move away from family. Happy Wife, Happy Life.


Don't see Petro signing for a dime less than Josi. He will likely want the same % of the cap 11.12% which is just under 9.5m....
That is already taking a discount when you consider other comparables like Doughty and Karlsson making 11-11.5
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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Don't see Petro signing for a dime less than Josi. He will likely want the same % of the cap 11.12% which is just under 9.5m....
That is already taking a discount when you consider other comparables like Doughty and Karlsson making 11-11.5


“Comparable” Pietrangelo has never been on the same level as DD8 or EK65 let’s face it. All y’all think is because Blues won a cup people gotta start asking for overpayments. He isn’t that good. His defense is god awful and his offense is slightly above average. Parayko has consistently out performed him. Last year Parayko was the one shutting the top lines down with BOUWMEESTER as his pairing line mate.

Pietrangelo isn’t worth more than 8 million period. If someone else wants to pay him. Go ahead take a liability on defense for a minor upgrade offensively.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 6:03 p.m.
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He isn’t that good. His defense is god awful and his offense is slightly above average.



Like I don't even know what to do with this, man.


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Letting Pietrangelo walk would open up a major weakness. Parayko might be able to take the reigns and Faulk step into the second pair, but it's not ideal. We are also pretty weak on the left side D, especially without Bouwmeester due to Gunnarsson's tendency to be injury prone and the newness of our LHD prospects.



The LD spot will look different next year. I think Mikkola has what it takes to step up.
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 8:11 p.m.
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I think you might be able to move Jake Allen without adding much to get a little more wiggle room. A team like Detroit who needs a stop gap in goal may take him.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 9:46 p.m.
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Like I don't even know what to do with this, man.





The LD spot will look different next year. I think Mikkola has what it takes to step up.


Well it’s because I’m a Realist Blues fan not Biased in most accounts. Which I mean some your pretty true but others not so much.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 9:59 p.m.
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Well it’s because I’m a Realist Blues fan not Biased in most accounts. Which I mean some your pretty true but others not so much.



Except it's not just Blues fans saying how well he's playing/how good he is. It's broadcasters around the league, it's national media, it's opposing GM's, coaches and players. It's a lot of everybody.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 10:13 p.m.
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Pietrangelo isn’t worth more than 8 million period. If someone else wants to pay him. Go ahead take a liability on defense for a minor upgrade offensively.



This is a scorching take
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Jan. 9, 2020 at 11:22 p.m.
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Except it's not just Blues fans saying how well he's playing/how good he is. It's broadcasters around the league, it's national media, it's opposing GM's, coaches and players. It's a lot of everybody.


You could say anything about his inconsistent elite plays on offense, but when was the last time anyone has given him a compliment on offense?
Jan. 9, 2020 at 11:27 p.m.
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This is a scorching take


He is terrible on defense
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Please tell me how they are -6% effective on defense with him on the ice, and league average with him off the ice.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 11:29 p.m.
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pietral90

and please tell me how everyone is doing well without Pietrangelo, there are only few that benefit, but small sample size.
Jan. 9, 2020 at 11:32 p.m.
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This is a scorching take


Scorching hot take is when someone has an opinion without doing there research sir. Pietrangelo is an average defenseman, and looking at how Doughty and Karlsson's contracts turned out when they were 28 and 29, and Pietrangelo will be re-signed/signed at 30. Looks like it could be very much the same thing with Pietrangelo in decline.
Jan. 10, 2020 at 12:48 a.m.
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He is terrible on defense
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Please tell me how they are -6% effective on defense with him on the ice, and league average with him off the ice.


LMFAO... You flash these analytics at everyone and you don't even know how to properly read them! The chart you showed displays -6% threat while Pietrangelo is on the ice. Its not effectiveness, its threat. He allows 6% less high danger shots (shots from close to the net)than league average. Seriously man, all credibility lost.

You also fail to mention that he is a +9% for 5on5 shot attempts FOR while on the ice, but his team is a whopping -17% without him off the ice.

This data would conclude he is an elite offensive defenceman and a good defender....

Absolutely brutal man. Go home with your tail between your legs.
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Jan. 10, 2020 at 1:56 a.m.
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LMFAO... You flash these analytics at everyone and you don't even know how to properly read them! The chart you showed displays -6% threat while Pietrangelo is on the ice. Its not effectiveness, its threat. He allows 6% less high danger shots (shots from close to the net)than league average. Seriously man, all credibility lost.

You also fail to mention that he is a +9% for 5on5 shot attempts FOR while on the ice, but his team is a whopping -17% without him off the ice.

This data would conclude he is an elite offensive defenceman and a good defender....

Absolutely brutal man. Go home with your tail between your legs.


Defensive Threat.............

You seem confused.....
Jan. 10, 2020 at 1:58 a.m.
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LMFAO... You flash these analytics at everyone and you don't even know how to properly read them! The chart you showed displays -6% threat while Pietrangelo is on the ice. Its not effectiveness, its threat. He allows 6% less high danger shots (shots from close to the net)than league average. Seriously man, all credibility lost.

You also fail to mention that he is a +9% for 5on5 shot attempts FOR while on the ice, but his team is a whopping -17% without him off the ice.

This data would conclude he is an elite offensive defenceman and a good defender....

Absolutely brutal man. Go home with your tail between your legs.


Offense ABOVE AVERAGE LIKE I SAID.
BUT IF YOU WOULD SPECIFICALLY WATCH HIS PLAY ON DEFENSE. You would understand what I mean, but take it from a Toronto fan who I'm sure feels Marner is the best winger in the League to understand the basics of not letting a man passed you on defense, and staying in position....
 
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