seeing all these trades and everyone giving up so much for a backup goalie is getting tiring

I love Engvall being moved to centre on that third line. He has played there a ton and I think he'd do very well. Surprised Keefe hasn't tried it already to be honest.

That trade is awful though. If you have to add 8 pieces to balance a trade, it's a terrible trade. Miller is not going to waive his NTC regardless, but that's a bad trade. If you want value, you must trade away value.

I gave up a lot because Ceci is a cap dump and Manson is elite and Miller is just there because he is a solid backup and a team need.

still too much man

manson is also not elite

Manson has not been as good as he was three years ago. Anyway, trading all these NHL'ers for two is a bad idea. With all the injuries this season, the depth has showed.

I guess we will see about Ceci but I get a sneaking suspicion that he will with the Leafs for the rest of the season.

Bingo!!!

This is a very bad trade for the leafs. Seems like the cap would work with ceci and hutch rather than Manson and miller.

You gave up a bunch of bottom 6 players or bubble players, Ceci, a 2nd and an intriguing goalie prospect that we should keep hold of. That isn't giving up a lot of quality just a lot of contracts and as others have mentioned. Manson is not elite, he's not ever great, he had one really good season and has followed it up with 2 mediocre ones. He's really nothing special and is currently the most overrated player on this entire site.

Manson is not elite, he was 2 years ago but that is not what we would get in a trade back now.

If Manson is elite and Ceci is a cap dump than why do you think Anaheim would make this trade? Also, you do know that they're stacked on the wings right? And their #1 need is RHD so why would they trade their best one for our scraps? A good person to talk to about what it would cost to get Manson is @OldNYIfan he's a Leafs, Ducks, Kings and Islanders fan so he is a neutral party who will give you a fair analysis of what it would take but I don't think you'll like what it will take if you think this trade is fair for them.

Regardless of what people think of Manson, he's the Ducks best RHD and they won't just give him away for what the OP offered.

The problem with any trade for Manson is that regardless of what your evaluation is of him, and regardless of what your team's scouting staff's evaluation is of him, he's more valuable to Anaheim than he is to an acquiring team because he's the only NHL-quality RhD Anaheim has in their entire system who is signed beyond the expansion draft. On the other hand, @Jamiepo @PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood @vr1995 and @oneX are correct in saying that Manson is drifting along on the basis of one good year a couple of seasons ago. As an Anaheim fan, when commenting on Manson trades I restrict myself to the observation that the Ducks have no one to replace him, thereby sidestepping this reality. He's really a "cusp" or replacement #2 defenseman and an excellent #3 RhD, which is where he'd be on St Louis, the Islanders, Boston, the Rangers and Colorado, to name a few.

You're trading for Manson due to Toronto's perceived need for improved strength on the right side of the defense. That is also Anaheim's primary need, both this season (not as strongly as Toronto, of course) and going forward. As a result, Anaheim and Toronto are poor trade partners. If Manson were going to be a #2 or #3 for you, I would say his value is somewhere from Timashov and a 2020 second -- rebuilding teams don't want 2021 picks -- (low end) to Kapanen (high end). The package you've got there nevertheless seems inadequate because it's obviously a collection of spare parts. The Ducks don't need forward or goalie prospects given their depth in those areas in the system.

Well worded

Thanks! I try to be as impartial as my aggravation at watching my two crummy local teams permits me to be. Growing up with the Islanders dynasty and then watching these gong shows is hard to take.

It happens, both teams were really good but got old.

I have a lot of hope for the Ducks. Once Sam Steel, Isac Lundestrom and Troy Terry learn when to shoot the puck, and Ondrej Kase and Daniel Sprong learn when not to, Anaheim could be a really good team again soon.

There's not as much sunlight on the horizon for the Kings other than Martin Frk (who would have thought?) and Sean Walker, but they've played better than the Ducks over the last 10 games or so.

They need an elite centre.

Well, I'm hoping Quintin Byfield ends up in SoCal.

This is exactly correct. When I’m thinking of trades to be made My first go to is where can we expend a player. Then what team needs a player like that. Once those two things are confirmed I look at what they have to offer. Sometimes I will go through 6-10 teams. One quick glance at the ducks and you realize this is not a team to try and pry an rhd from.

In that light, to save time, here are the players that are surplus to Anaheim's needs:

1. Devin Shore
2. one of Jacob Larsson/Brendan Guhle/Josh Mahura
3. Nick Ritchie
4. Antoine Morand.

Anyone else requires a lot of work, other than the guys who wouldn't bring anything more than a minimal return.