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TDL tweaks

Created by: Kitch
Initial Creation Date: Jan 11, 2020
Published: Jan 11 at 9:29 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. Lindgren, Charlie
  3. 2020 5th round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Ceci, Cody
  3. Timashov, Dmytro
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
  5. 2020 6th round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Timashov + 6th for Lindgren + 5th
Petry for Kapanen, 2nd + ceci cap dump to make deal work
TOR
  1. Coleman, Blake
  2. 2020 4th round pick (BOS)
NJD
  1. Bracco, Jeremy
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
  4. 2020 7th round pick (STL)
TOR
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Harpur, Ben
  2. 2020 4th round pick (BOS)
TOR
  1. Lewis, Trevor ($1,000,000 retained)
LAK
  1. Moore, Trevor
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
  3. 2020 7th round pick (WPG)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
NYI
VGK
MTL
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$82,361,866$0$132,500-$861,866

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
NJD
Coleman, Blake
$1,800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$759,167
C
RFA - 1
LAK
Lewis, Trevor
$1,000,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Lindgren, Charlie
$750,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Matthews, A.
Tavares, J.
Marner, M.
Barrie, T.
Nylander, W.
Power Play 2
Spezza, J.
Coleman, B.
Kerfoot, A.
Johnsson, A.
Rielly, M.
Penalty Kill 1
, .
Hyman, Z.
Muzzin, J.
Petry, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Coleman, B.
Engvall, P.
Dermott, T.
Holl, J.

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Jan 11 at 9:50
#1
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Sure why not, Montreal accepts.
Jan 11 at 9:57
#2
Danes1294
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Kapanen with his contract and age is worth more than Petry as a rental.
Paying a 2nd round pick to dump Ceci's contract for 2 months is a really dumb idea
Jan 11 at 9:58
#3
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Kitch
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Quoting: Danes1294
Kapanen with his contract and age is worth more than Petry as a rental.
Paying a 2nd round pick to dump Ceci's contract for 2 months is a really dumb idea


Petry has another year on his contract after this season.

These trades are also for a win now mode, which i think a 2nd is worth dumping Ceci to get petry to fit for the next 2 playoff pushes
Jan 11 at 10:03
#4
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Quoting: Kitch
Petry has another year on his contract after this season.

These trades are also for a win now mode, which i think a 2nd is worth dumping Ceci to get petry to fit for the next 2 playoff pushes


I also don't like this. Too much for a marginal upgrade. I don't think Petry is going to push us that much more ahead. He's better than Ceci but you can probably make a better move that doesn't cost you Kapanen
Jan 11 at 10:22
#5
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Petry would instantly become our best RHD and it really isn't even close. (Sorry Tyson Barrie).

Rielly / Petry
Muzzin / Holl
Dermott / Barrie

Sandin / Liljegren

That is a D core that I can get behind for sure.
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Jan 11 at 10:38
#6
Thread Starter
Kitch
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
I also don't like this. Too much for a marginal upgrade. I don't think Petry is going to push us that much more ahead. He's better than Ceci but you can probably make a better move that doesn't cost you Kapanen


Petry is a bonifide #3 dman, and would instantly become our best all around RHD.

Sure you could package Kapanen for someone younger and more controlled but you will have to add more to get him, plus who are the options ATM? Subban? not touching that. Vatanen? too many OFD. Tanev? one dimensional and a bandaid plus VAN is probably trying to make a push of their own and if you say Pieterangelo then your kinda off your rocker.

Id be more then willing to give up Kapanen and a late 2nd for a year and a half of Petry and hopefully make two deep runs, Kapanens just going to rot away on the 3rd line, plays too much run and gun for the liking of Tavares and Matthews.
Jan 11 at 10:39
#7
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Quoting: Kitch
Petry is a bonifide #3 dman, and would instantly become our best all around RHD.

Sure you could package Kapanen for someone younger and more controlled but you will have to add more to get him, plus who are the options ATM? Subban? not touching that. Vatanen? too many OFD. Tanev? one dimensional and a bandaid plus VAN is probably trying to make a push of their own and if you say Pieterangelo then your kinda off your rocker.

Id be more then willing to give up Kapanen and a late 2nd for a year and a half of Petry and hopefully make two deep runs, Kapanens just going to rot away on the 3rd line, plays too much run and gun for the liking of Tavares and Matthews.


Petry isn't as good as you think he is.
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Jan 11 at 10:47
#8
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Petry isn't as good as you think he is.


Petry is a better RHD than ANYTHING that we currently have in the organization and that really isn't even debatable.
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Jan 11 at 11:01
#9
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Kitch
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Petry isn't as good as you think he is.


If im not mistaken he has 3 straight 40 point seasons and is on track for another one on a dumpster fire habs team. I know for a fact hes a solid defender and smooth skater who also has a good shot from the point giving us another PP option for PP2.

Not to mention he is a stop gap next year for Liljegren, and a veteran presence.
Jan 11 at 11:01
#10
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Petry is a better RHD than ANYTHING that we currently have in the organization and that really isn't even debatable.


Career minus 115 player. He's really nothing special. I know plus/minus isn't a great stat but let's maybe look into this more and then think about how smart sending a good young forward for a 32 year old who isn't a top pair defenceman on most teams.
Jan 11 at 11:03
#11
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Quoting: Kitch
If im not mistaken he has 3 straight 40 point seasons and is on track for another one on a dumpster fire habs team. I know for a fact hes a solid defender and smooth skater who also has a good shot from the point giving us another PP option for PP2.

Not to mention he is a stop gap next year for Liljegren, and a veteran presence.


Career minus 115. He's been a plus player twice in his career. He is not great defensively, he's old, and he wouldn't get any PP time here.
Jan 11 at 11:11
#12
Thread Starter
Kitch
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Career minus 115. He's been a plus player twice in his career. He is not great defensively, he's old, and he wouldn't get any PP time here.


He played two years for the oil during there tire fire years and that makes up -50 in those two years, subtract them and hes around -60, in the same boat as Barrie and Rielly
Jan 11 at 11:16
#13
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Career minus 115. He's been a plus player twice in his career. He is not great defensively, he's old, and he wouldn't get any PP time here.


Your views are so incredibly shortsighted because of those Leaf Goggles that you wear. It is difficult to try and talk logically about improving the team with someone so obtuse as yourself. One more for the ignore list.
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Jan 11 at 11:16
#14
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4 for 4 in bad trades for Leafs.
Jan 11 at 11:20
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Quoting: Kitch
He played two years for the oil during there tire fire years and that makes up -50 in those two years, subtract them and hes around -60, in the same boat as Barrie and Rielly


Take out the first 4 years of Rielly's career where he was an terrible Leaf teams and he's a positive player. Petry had a minus 30 season the year before last. Barrie has half his minus for the year he was on the historical bad Avalanche. Petry has been negative every year but twice.

You are bringing in a good puck moving player who gets scored on a lot more than his team scores. For a team that has offensive defenceman in Rielly and Barrie, Petry doesn't get near the opportunity that he gets now. He isn't as good defensively as Muzzin or Holl so he'd be likely asked to be on the 3rd pair where he'd be a big upgrade over Ceci but that isn't worth Kapanen. Petry is more valuable to a tonne of other teams.
Jan 11 at 11:22
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Your views are so incredibly shortsighted because of those Leaf Goggles that you wear. It is difficult to try and talk logically about improving the team with someone so obtuse as yourself. One more for the ignore list.


You literally just called a guy short sighted for not wanting to trade a 23 year old for a 32 year old. Logically speaking, Perry's best days are behind him in all likelihood, he may still be a good player but for how long? Also when are Kap's best days coming? Short sighted. I don't think you understand what that means.
Jan 11 at 11:22
#17
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PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood thinks that every member of the Toronto Maple Leafs organization is more valuable than any other player in the NHL. He repeatedly denies to look at anything that involves the possibility of improving the team. He Poo-Poo's every trade suggestion and fabricates an analysis to support his position. I think he just does it for attention to be honest. It is absolutely pointless to try and debate logic with someone who is solely here to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. I recommend just hitting the ignore button. It really isn't worth the interaction.
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Jan 11 at 11:23
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
You literally just called a guy short sighted for not wanting to trade a 23 year old for a 32 year old. Logically speaking, Perry's best days are behind him in all likelihood, he may still be a good player but for how long? Also when are Kap's best days coming? Short sighted. I don't think you understand what that means.


How did "Perry" make his way into this conversation?
Jan 11 at 11:25
#19
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Quoting: Trevorchef
How did "Perry" make his way into this conversation?


Obviously a typo, that was just petty.
Jan 11 at 11:36
#20
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Quoting: Trevorchef
PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood thinks that every member of the Toronto Maple Leafs organization is more valuable than any other player in the NHL. He repeatedly denies to look at anything that involves the possibility of improving the team. He Poo-Poo's every trade suggestion and fabricates an analysis to support his position. I think he just does it for attention to be honest. It is absolutely pointless to try and debate logic with someone who is solely here to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. I recommend just hitting the ignore button. It really isn't worth the interaction.


No I just think assets need to be managed and giving up a players best years (Kap) for a guy who's 9 years older and really doesn't push the needle much is a waste of assets. You like to paint me as a homer that overvalues everything, when I am just frugal. Kapanen is a good player and after him, we are thin on RW. Petry is not the guy I'd target. I don't think he's the right guy. Montreal may indeed get equivalent value as this proposed trade but not from Dubas. He gave up less than this to get Muzzin who is better and is younger.

You like so many others, just gets mad when others don't agree with you. Grow up.b
Jan 11 at 11:41
#21
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Kitch
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
No I just think assets need to be managed and giving up a players best years (Kap) for a guy who's 9 years older and really doesn't push the needle much is a waste of assets. You like to paint me as a homer that overvalues everything, when I am just frugal. Kapanen is a good player and after him, we are thin on RW. Petry is not the guy I'd target. I don't think he's the right guy. Montreal may indeed get equivalent value as this proposed trade but not from Dubas. He gave up less than this to get Muzzin who is better and is younger.

You like so many others, just gets mad when others don't agree with you. Grow up.b


Ok who would you target then? I agree we need another Muzzin type D but on the right, but who are the options? Hamonic, but hes a playoff rental unless you sign him for Ceci money. Manson? But then the ducks have literally nothing on their right side so i doubt that gets done.

The only other logical solution thats still only 50/50 is going after Savard in CBJ.

Do you do Kapanen + Bracco + Ceci + and 2nd for Savard and Anderson?
Jan 11 at 11:44
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Quoting: Kitch
Ok who would you target then? I agree we need another Muzzin type D but on the right, but who are the options? Hamonic, but hes a playoff rental unless you sign him for Ceci money. Manson? But then the ducks have literally nothing on their right side so i doubt that gets done.

The only other logical solution thats still only 50/50 is going after Savard in CBJ.

Do you do Kapanen + Bracco + Ceci + and 2nd for Savard and Anderson?


IF that were on the table... I would do it in a heartbeat. A move like that makes the Leafs a better team now and moving forward.
Jan 11 at 11:53
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Sure, Petry is an improvement over Ceci and Petry has an additional year. But you've traded four Leaf forwards and got just two in return and hardly stars in return. So overall Leafs probably aren't better this year or even next year
 
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