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Trade RNH for Zucker

Created by: Wildwinswhen
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 12, 2020
Published: Jan. 12, 2020
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How is this looking EDM fans? Is this a feasible trade? If not, how would you change it?
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  2. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
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Jan. 12, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
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It's an egregious overpay for Zucker and Zucker cannot waive his NMC to come to Canada. Something to do with his wife's child and not being able to leave the States.
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Jan. 12, 2020 at 12:56 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 12, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
For the thousandth time on CapFriendly the Oilers need to add a Zucker type winger WITHOUT using one of McDavid, Draisaitl or RNH to get that winger, this is a lateral move at best for the Oilers which is pointless for them.

As for the value idk, Zucker has more term and makes a bit less but RNH plays or can play down the middle so that adds a fair bit of value to him, I'd say that a 2nd is too much if you're trying to make up for the term difference, should be a 3rd at most but more likely a 4th round pick but really this is just pointless for the Oilers and it doesn't really make much sense for the Wild either imo.
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Jan. 12, 2020 at 2:21 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
For the thousandth time on CapFriendly the Oilers need to add a Zucker type winger WITHOUT using one of McDavid, Draisaitl or RNH to get that winger, this is a lateral move at best for the Oilers which is pointless for them.

As for the value idk, Zucker has more term and makes a bit less but RNH plays or can play down the middle so that adds a fair bit of value to him, I'd say that a 2nd is too much if you're trying to make up for the term difference, should be a 3rd at most but more likely a 4th round pick but really this is just pointless for the Oilers and it doesn't really make much sense for the Wild either imo.


The Wild desperately need a C1/C2. This is Koivu's last year and Staal has one year after this one. They've both lost a step or three. Erickson Ek is a great defensive C, but not a scorer.

Zucker is expendable for the Wild because we have too many left handed LW. He's also getting older, but still has plenty left for teams in a win now mode. The Wild's next window is likely in two years, so they need to get younger now.

@BeterChiarelli Zucker does not have a NMC, he has a 10 team NTC and I have no idea who is on it. This also makes him the best trade bait because most of the Wild have NMCs. I've also never heard of any citizenship situation with his family and Canada. So if it's an issue then EDM is on his NTC list and this is all moot.

Thanks for the discussion!
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Jan. 12, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.
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The Wild desperately need a C1/C2. This is Koivu's last year and Staal has one year after this one. They've both lost a step or three. Erickson Ek is a great defensive C, but not a scorer.

Zucker is expendable for the Wild because we have too many left handed LW. He's also getting older, but still has plenty left for teams in a win now mode. The Wild's next window is likely in two years, so they need to get younger now.

Zucker does not have a NMC, he has a 10 team NTC and I have no idea who is on it. This also makes him the best trade bait because most of the Wild have NMCs. I've also never heard of any citizenship situation with his family and Canada. So if it's an issue then EDM is on his NTC list and this is all moot.

Thanks for the discussion!


Right, NTC. Thanks for clearing that up.

If I remember correctly, it's because his wife's son isn't Zucker's kid. Because that child is from a previous marriage, Zucker's family can't leave the States without court approval or the blessing from her ex-husband. It's not that Zucker doesn't want to play in Canada, it's that he would have to do so away from his family. I believe his NTC covers the 7 Canadian teams and probably the three teams where it would suck to play (standings, weather) so like NJD, BUF, and maybe CBJ.

If I'm the Wild, I'm looking intently at the writing on the wall. It's time for a complete overhaul of the franchise. Philadelphia is stuffed to the guts with prospects and would be more than willing to move picks. Adding Zucker pushes them over the edge. If Patrick can overcome his migraine disorder - and I recall Minnesota has some of the best doctors in the States - there's a solid chance they might throw him in a deal for free or for a minimal add. Finding a legitimate #1C has to come from the draft, and if it's something that the Wild are serious about, names like Byfield or Lundell need to be on the radar.
Jan. 12, 2020 at 2:51 p.m.
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RNH > Zucker in almost every way
Jan. 12, 2020 at 3:20 p.m.
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RNH > Zucker in almost every way


Goals starting this season and going backward
Zucker = 12, 22, 31, 22
RNH = 12, 28, 24, 18

Total Pts
Zucker = 24, 42, 64, 47
RNH = 30, 69, 48, 43

Cap hit
Zucker = 5.5M for 4 years remaining
RNH = 6M for 2 years remaining

So, I guess I don't see what you mean.
Jan. 12, 2020 at 3:35 p.m.
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Goals starting this season and going backward
Zucker = 12, 22, 31, 22
RNH = 12, 28, 24, 18

Total Pts
Zucker = 24, 42, 64, 47
RNH = 30, 69, 48, 43

Cap hit
Zucker = 5.5M for 4 years remaining
RNH = 6M for 2 years remaining

So, I guess I don't see what you mean.



Those stats are completely misleading since Zucker played 4 full seasons and RNH missed 28 games one of those seasons and 20 another.
RNH plays center a more valuable position. And he's a great 2way player. RNH is an outstanding penalty killer, our best forward on the PK. And RNH has spent the majority of the last 4 years playing with linemates that should be 4th liners. Pouliot, Gagner, Khaira, Lucic, ect.
Jan. 12, 2020 at 3:36 p.m.
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Those stats are completely misleading since Zucker played 4 full seasons and RNH missed 28 games one of those seasons and 20 another.
RNH plays center a more valuable position. And he's a great 2way player. RNH is an outstanding penalty killer, our best forward on the PK. And RNH has spent the majority of the last 4 years playing with linemates that should be 4th liners. Pouliot, Gagner, Khaira, Lucic, ect.


I agree that Zucker is on a much better contract, but RNH is a criminally underated player. Oilers fans know how valuable he is
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Jan. 12, 2020 at 4:20 p.m.
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I agree that Zucker is on a much better contract, but RNH is a criminally underated player. Oilers fans know how valuable he is


I agree on the C being a more important position and I'm glad to hear RNH plays the PK. We'll need help there next year. I've been targeting RNH since last trade deadline, so I value him pretty highly.

Sorry to hear that RNH was hurt multiple times in the past few years. Zucker is healing from a broken fibula right now and should be back this week. He's missed the last 10 games, but he's generally been resilient over his career.
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