Marner and Andersen for Gibson and Kase.

While the value is probably close, I don't see Anaheim being a good fit for Marner, therefore Anaheim declines from moving one of the best goalies in the league.

Anaheim is looking for elite forward talent which is exactly what they need. But I agree that Gibson is probably untouchable. But I mean so is Marner

That's right, both guys are untouchable that is why it's an unrealistic situation. However, I am starting to see that the Leafs might need to move one of their core forward pieces if they seriously want to improve that defence and goaltending situation long term.

Really my friend, you should stop with your Marner thoughts, they are not at all correct. Marner is 22 has scored 94 points in a season and is on pace for a similar season over 82 games. Paying top dollar for a top contributor isn't a problem. He is not an overpaid no value player, that is just ridiculous.

Youre on something if you think youre getting a 1st for Murray, especially from Buffalo. Pitt would have done that already

This is probably the most realistic scenerio that the Leafs will need to come to terms with...almost impossible to carry half the teams payroll with 4 forwards (Matthews, Tavares, Marner, & Nylander) and expect long term results. Lehner on a good team with a couple good D additions would probably put Leafs over the hurdle.

I agree with you that Marner is a terrific player. That's why he's able to get an excellent return if he were exposed on the trade market. I just don't see how the Leafs can keep all four of their top forwards if they want to get significant improvements on defence and in goal. It sure seems like they need it.

I think the Penguins are keeping Murray because they believe he can be a contributor until the end of the season. He's played well the last few games and is a legit starting netminder who's realistically only had 2 bad seasons. Keep in mind Corey Schneider got traded for Bo Horvat, and Martin Jones got a 1st round pick. There is no doubt Murray has value, especially since he won 2 cups.

I agree if the Leafs want a legitimate improvement defensively and in goal, it's hard to not think they would have to part with one of their forwards.

Its all a hot take, the team is young and has been injured a lot this season. All things considering and keeping in mind they have two blue chippers in Sandin and Liljegren, they are not in rough shape. Lets all just stop overreacting to whatever perceived crisis is blowing up the internet and just breath through it. Nothing is ever as bad as it seems or as good as it seems, until you win the cup, then its that good.

Schneider was a legit all star caliber goalie who was at the top of the league till injuries caught up with him, and Jones was projected to be one of the best in the league and took the Sharks to the finals. How they play years after the trades doesnt affect their value back then. Murray was back seat driver the first year only playing 13 games in the regular season then coming in fresh in the playoffs, then again in the next year only playing half the playoff games. Then fell off after Fluery went to Vegas and wasnt their to spot him anymore. Both Jones and Schneider were on an upwards trajectory when traded, Murray is the opposite

Murray is 25 and has led his team to 2 cups. Don’t act like that is nothing. He has a lot of value and potential left in him. Sheary is the worst player in the league and the Penguins traded him for a 4th round pick. Would’ve got more if they weren’t dumping Hunwick.

Not that value for Buffalo . We have our goalie of the future in the system thanks

Detroit isn't giving up a 1st for Murray who over the last 3 seasons has been extremely average.

Yes you are right.

The pick is lottery protected, so if it’s 20th or lower, they get to keep it. Murray is a great goalie. Didn’t have a good first half but he’s bouncing back. Last season, he was good. Posted a near 92 percent save percentage (93% in the second half). He will be crucial for the Penguins the rest of the season.

Over the last 3 seasons with goalies that have played at least 20 games he is 37th in GAA and 36th in SV% and that is out of 75 goalies.

Goalies over the last 3 seasons

With the Wings being 12 points behind the next worst team and pretty much have a lock on that bottom spot they won't be picking worse than 4th.

That’s because he had a terrible 2017/18 season. It really dragged his stats down. But one season doesn’t make him bad overall.

You do realize his numbers so far this season are worse than the 2017-2018 season.

Yes I’m aware. So it’s mostly 2017/18 and the first half of this season. Let’s wait until the end of 2019/20 to see how high his value can get.

Ok but the Wings have bigger needs than a goalie like defensemen. Detroit's 2 best defensemen are Hronek and Nemeth and Cholowski is getting close but he's not there yet. The Wing's have played like 15 defensemen this season. So why bring in a goalie that is just going to get shelled? if AA does get traded it will be for a good young defensemen of a good prospect.

Then I should’ve included Pettersson in the deal as well.

Wings in no place to trade a 1st round pick

Well whichever team will take Murray then but the point is to get rid of Marner on toronto’s side since they need defense and goaltending.