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Helping Out an Old Friend TOR and BUF

Created by: HabsRafiki
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 14, 2020
Published: Jan. 14, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
The loss of Morgan Reilly puts the Leafs in a tough position for the balance of the regular season, especially on the PP. This deal gives the Leafs a group of solid veterans -- two good scorers, a dominant grinder, and a serviceable LD -- for a piece of the Leafs' long-term future.

Looked at differently and with getting a Stanley Cup in Canada in the next 2 years in mind:
Petry = Liljegren and a 2nd
Tatar = Kapanen
Thompson = Gauthier

And Toronto saves $1M by dumping the remainder of the Horton contract, leaving room at the TDL for more.

Please invite us to the Stanley Cup parade.

Buffalo gets a serviceable C/LW and opens up nearly $4M in cap space to perhaps make another deal.
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Peca, Matthew
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Habs give conditional 3rd if Bogosian re-signs in MTL. Otherwise, it's a 5th in 2022
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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24$81,500,000$71,428,808$0$4,307,500$10,071,192
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 3
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$350,000$350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
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RW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 3
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$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$748,333$748,333
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UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
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UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$763,333$763,333 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4

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Jan. 14, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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The only guy of those offered Toronto would want is Petry, but I doubt the leafs trade Liljegren for him. How do the leafs save money by trading Horton?
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
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Don't see Montreal helping out Toronto. Would rather get atleast 2 first round picks for Tatar and Petry and then some. Let Toronto overpay on a defender.

Also, Bogosian wouldn't even make the team, no point in trading a 13th forward and a decent pick for him.
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 1:57 p.m.
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Quoting: TooMalevolent
The only guy of those offered Toronto would want is Petry, but I doubt the leafs trade Liljegren for him. How do the leafs save money by trading Horton?


to be fair Tatar is legit. Not a great defensive player, but most teams could find a spot for him
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 1:59 p.m.
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to be fair Tatar is legit. Not a great defensive player, but most teams could find a spot for him


Tatar IS a great defensive player. That's what makes him so good.
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 2:13 p.m.
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Tatar IS a great defensive player. That's what makes him so good.


you might be right about the d maybe im missing something.

Either way Tatar is a player that any team could use if they have the cap space.
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.
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lolololol

TaTaR = KaPaNeN

In reality

Tatar >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kapanen
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
lolololol

TaTaR = KaPaNeN

In reality

Tatar >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kapanen


I agree that Tatar today is better than Kapanen today. But in terms of longer-term value, I'd rather have Kapanen than a draft pick who only begins having an impact in 2-3 years ... or might be a total bust (see Scherbak, McCarron, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Leblanc....) At last Kapanen could step in now and grow with the young team. That's my logic anyway.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 6:15 p.m.
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Quoting: TooMalevolent
The only guy of those offered Toronto would want is Petry, but I doubt the leafs trade Liljegren for him. How do the leafs save money by trading Horton?


I think Tatar would be an improvement on Kapanen (39 points vs. 28 points) and is a better defensive forward.

Proven PP defencemen aren't often available at the TDL, so when they are, they rarely come cheap, especially when they're not rentals. It's a pretty straightforward swap of a good Dman "now" for a good Dman "later". If advancing in the playoffs is the goal, the Leafs would be better served with the best-possible option. I dare say that's Petry (over Liljegren) right now.

You're right about Horton. My mistake. I was half asleep. I was just looking to help make room. I'll revisit now. Because there's not the cap savings, I've removed the 2nd.
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Jan. 15, 2020 at 9:31 a.m.
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I agree that Tatar today is better than Kapanen today. But in terms of longer-term value, I'd rather have Kapanen than a draft pick who only begins having an impact in 2-3 years ... or might be a total bust (see Scherbak, McCarron, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Leblanc....) At last Kapanen could step in now and grow with the young team. That's my logic anyway.


But still if you want Kapanen over Tatar then I would add a pick to TOR's side
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Jan. 15, 2020 at 9:46 a.m.
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
But still if you want Kapanen over Tatar then I would add a pick to TOR's side


Maybe, but that's the fun in haggling. Which pick would you suggest?
Jan. 15, 2020 at 9:48 a.m.
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Agree to disagree, but that's the fun in haggling. Which pick?


I don't know. 4th? 5th? 3rd?
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Jan. 15, 2020 at 9:50 a.m.
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I don't know. 4th? 5th? 3rd?


I originally had Toronto's #2, but that was more because Petry is head-and-shoulders more valuable (now) than Liljegren. Maybe for that reason AND Tatar, the 2nd should be back in.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 11:00 a.m.
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The value isn't bad but every piece MTL is giving up is better than the piece they are receiving, and that's before retention.
While Kapanen is a good long term investment, he is a downgrade from Tatar and MTL doesn't need the cap relief from the difference between them, Leafs would need to add probably a conditional 2021 4th, becomes a 3rd if the Leafs win a round either season and Tatar plays 50% of playoff games. Maybe even becomes a 2nd if they make the ECF either year but I wouldn't push to hard, I am giving a discount due to the Leafs buying in bulk.
Same thing with Petry, he is an upgrade on Liljegren right now and MTL would need to be getting more because they are taking on the risk of a young dman not making the transition to the NHL. A 2nd is likely what would be needed to even it out. I would say it should be conditional and become a 1st if the Leafs have some playoff success but again, buying in bulk should be a bit cheaper. Although with retention I think a first instead of the 2nd would be needed, and a 3rd if the Leafs see some success in the playoffs.
Thompson and Gauthier are relatively even, although Thompson has won more face-offs than Gauthier has taken this season (Gauthier does have a better win%) and I assume that's the reason for the swap. The age difference makes up for the retention here.
Overall for the Leafs trade your looking at a conditional 2nd that can become a 1st or a 1st and conditional 3rd if Petry is retained on, and a 4th that could upgrade to as good as a 2nd. Less than what MTL would get selling these 3 individually, but not an awful return.
Bogosian for Peca 1 for 1 maybe, but MTL doesn't need either player and Peca is cheaper letting them take on cap to increase their return on other trades at the deadline if necessary.
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Jan. 15, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.
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The value isn't bad but every piece MTL is giving up is better than the piece they are receiving, and that's before retention.
While Kapanen is a good long term investment, he is a downgrade from Tatar and MTL doesn't need the cap relief from the difference between them, Leafs would need to add probably a conditional 2021 4th, becomes a 3rd if the Leafs win a round either season and Tatar plays 50% of playoff games. Maybe even becomes a 2nd if they make the ECF either year but I wouldn't push to hard, I am giving a discount due to the Leafs buying in bulk.
Same thing with Petry, he is an upgrade on Liljegren right now and MTL would need to be getting more because they are taking on the risk of a young dman not making the transition to the NHL. A 2nd is likely what would be needed to even it out. I would say it should be conditional and become a 1st if the Leafs have some playoff success but again, buying in bulk should be a bit cheaper. Although with retention I think a first instead of the 2nd would be needed, and a 3rd if the Leafs see some success in the playoffs.
Thompson and Gauthier are relatively even, although Thompson has won more face-offs than Gauthier has taken this season (Gauthier does have a better win%) and I assume that's the reason for the swap. The age difference makes up for the retention here.
Overall for the Leafs trade your looking at a conditional 2nd that can become a 1st or a 1st and conditional 3rd if Petry is retained on, and a 4th that could upgrade to as good as a 2nd. Less than what MTL would get selling these 3 individually, but not an awful return.
Bogosian for Peca 1 for 1 maybe, but MTL doesn't need either player and Peca is cheaper letting them take on cap to increase their return on other trades at the deadline if necessary.


Thanks, J2W. That's really solid analysis. My approach was really that the Leafs need present value assets and the Habs would benefit from the future value of Kapanen, Gauthier and, maybe, Liljegren. Frankly, I am so used to getting screamed at by Leafs fans that I didn't bother with any picks, lest I give them ammo. Player for player, the Leafs are getting the better of it for the next 1-2 years, but then they're all gone as UFAs (or re-signed, but theoretically they could do that anyway as none are likely to be re-signed by Montreal). Beyond those first 1-2 years, the deal favours the Habs as all the players have at least one more RFA negotiation.

If the season were being written off and Petry were traded, the Habs would need a decent 3-6 Dman who can log minutes and has something to prove. Since the goal is not to make the playoffs, there's no point in renting Vatanen or another unless the goal is to audition them as players the Habs might want to try to re-sign. Having a big, protective Dman with something to prove just seemed like a better use of the roster spot than Peca.

Again, thanks for your comments. Much appreciated.
 
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