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Crawford to TO at 2Mill

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Team: 2019-20 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 14, 2020
Published: Jan. 14, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Crawford, Corey ($3,000,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Gillies, Jon
  2. Jankowski, Mark
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CGY)
2.
TOR
  1. Bennett, Sam
  2. Crawford, Corey ($1,000,000 retained)
  3. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
Pick will become a 2nd round pick if Calgary makes the WCF
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$72,941,709$0$322,500$8,558,291
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 5
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$715,000$715,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,375,000$3,375,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$755,833$755,833 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 5
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$3,857,143$3,857,143
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$4,650,400$4,650,400
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:38 p.m.
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Only half a players salary can ever be retained. This is not possible......also its just terrible.
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:41 p.m.
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I like it. I'd rather give up Johnsson because TO has more quality options on the right side (Marner, Nylander, Spezza, Moore, Mikheyev) than on the left(Hyman, Johnsson, Moore, Mikeyev) but to improve your team you need to give up assets. Remove that 4th and add a 2022 3rd rounder tho. Kapanen has a lot more upside than Bennett at this point
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.
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Don't you think CHI / TOR can cut out the middle man? I do. No reason to have CGY involved.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.
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Only half a players salary can ever be retained. This is not possible......also its just terrible.


The deal isn't terrible, any package that included Ceci loses value.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:46 p.m.
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The deal isn't terrible, any package that included Ceci loses value.


It doesn't take Kapanen to move Ceci, also beyond that this trade is against the rules. A player can only have up to half his salary retained.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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It doesn't take Kapanen to move Ceci, also beyond that this trade is against the rules. A player can only have up to half his salary retained.


I know about the retention, I just like the idea of the trade. And yes, to get rid of Ceci while getting a capable backup, a 3rd liner and a pick, one needs to give away Kapanen
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:49 p.m.
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Only half a players salary can ever be retained. This is not possible......also its just terrible.


I was under the impression that a contract can only be retained 2 times at 50%

So like

Chi (50%) [3mil]->CGY {3mil AAV}

CGY (50%) [1.5] -> TOR {1.5 AAV}

[Dead cap]

{Final cap after transaction}
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:50 p.m.
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Only half a players salary can ever be retained. This is not possible......also its just terrible.


That's completely incorrect, per transaction only 50% can be retained, but each contract can only be retained twice.
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:51 p.m.
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Don't you think CHI / TOR can cut out the middle man? I do. No reason to have CGY involved.


Calgary is involved to get Crawford's cap down lower to fit TO's cap a little better
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.
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I know about the retention, I just like the idea of the trade. And yes, to get rid of Ceci while getting a capable backup, a 3rd liner and a pick, one needs to give away Kapanen


It does not. That is just ridiculous, you are acting like he's Lucic. Ceci has no term and is definitely worth a roster spot, yes he's overpaid by more than double, but with no term its not impossible to move. Its just a manic response to a player that isn't what people thought he'd be. Ceci as a 2 million dollar bottom pair defender, is a fine use of money. Also Bennet is no better than Gauthier right now, so no all of this is just extreme and silly.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.
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I was under the impression that a contract can only be retained 2 times at 50%

So like

Chi (50%) [3mil]->CGY {3mil AAV}

CGY (50%) [1.5] -> TOR {1.5 AAV}

[Dead cap]

{Final cap after transaction}


Close but the rule is a player can have up half his salary retained. A player can have two different teams retain salary but still only up to half. After the second time, no retention can happen. So if Arizona traded Kessel and retained money, they could retain only whatever the number is to cut his total salary in half. Nothing more.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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Quoting: SmugTkachuk
That's completely incorrect, per transaction only 50% can be retained, but each contract can only be retained twice.


https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#retained

#1 on the list

"The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit."

Meaning I am 100% correct on my statement.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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Close but the rule is a player can have up half his salary retained. A player can have two different teams retain salary but still only up to half. After the second time, no retention can happen. So if Arizona traded Kessel and retained money, they could retain only whatever the number is to cut his total salary in half. Nothing more.


I thought Pittsburg Vegas and Ottawa did a three team trade not to long ago where Brassard was retained at 50% twice.
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Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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Calgary is involved to get Crawford's cap down lower to fit TO's cap a little better


Yeah, but that's really not needed at all if Ceci's being traded. And certainly wouldn't mean KK (a current piece toward a cup run) would be involved. It's more like Hey, CGY. You want to eat $1.5M...(something 16 - 20 other teams can provide)...ok here's a 4th or 3rd rounder.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:01 p.m.
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https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#retained

#1 on the list

"The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit."

Meaning I am 100% correct on my statement.


Real Example: Devan Dubnyk’s cross-continent travels in 2014 demonstrated a number of these provisions:

Jan 15, 2014: Dubnyk was traded from Edmonton to Nashville.
Edmonton retained 50% of his salary, or $1.75M of the $3.5M total.
March 5, 2014: Dubnyk was traded from Nashville to Montreal.
Nashville retained 25% of his salary (which applies to the original total). Therefore, the Predators retained $0.875M.
March 5, 2014: Dubnyk was immediately demoted to Montreal’s AHL affiliate in Hamilton.
After the demotion, he didn’t count against Montreal’s cap but he did still count against Edmonton’s ($1.75M) and Nashville’s ($0.875M).
CBA Reference: 50.5 (e-iii) Pages 271-274

So they broke the rules in this trade?
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Yeah, but that's really not needed at all if Ceci's being traded. And certainly wouldn't mean KK (a current piece toward a cup run) would be involved. It's more like Hey, CGY. You want to eat $1.5M...(something 16 - 20 other teams can provide)...ok here's a 4th or 3rd rounder.


Really good point, I wasn't overly in tune with the cap in Toronto I just know a lot of people want Ceci out, Calgary would definitely need to add if the cap implications aren't as serious as I assumed they were.
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I thought Pittsburg Vegas and Ottawa did a three team trade not to long ago where Brassard was retained at 50% twice.


Doubtful, the rules stated on this site say a players salary can be retained up to 50% of its total value, no more.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.
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Doubtful, the rules stated on this site say a players salary can be retained up to 50% of its total value, no more.


What is doubtful? Are you doubting that the Dubnyk deals happened? Are you that dense?
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: SmugTkachuk
Real Example: Devan Dubnyk’s cross-continent travels in 2014 demonstrated a number of these provisions:

Jan 15, 2014: Dubnyk was traded from Edmonton to Nashville.
Edmonton retained 50% of his salary, or $1.75M of the $3.5M total.
March 5, 2014: Dubnyk was traded from Nashville to Montreal.
Nashville retained 25% of his salary (which applies to the original total). Therefore, the Predators retained $0.875M.
March 5, 2014: Dubnyk was immediately demoted to Montreal’s AHL affiliate in Hamilton.
After the demotion, he didn’t count against Montreal’s cap but he did still count against Edmonton’s ($1.75M) and Nashville’s ($0.875M).
CBA Reference: 50.5 (e-iii) Pages 271-274

So they broke the rules in this trade?


I guess so, unless it was amended since then, its pretty clear cut in the link I provided.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
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I like it. I'd rather give up Johnsson because TO has more quality options on the right side (Marner, Nylander, Spezza, Moore, Mikheyev) than on the left(Hyman, Johnsson, Moore, Mikeyev) but to improve your team you need to give up assets. Remove that 4th and add a 2022 3rd rounder tho. Kapanen has a lot more upside than Bennett at this point


Sorry. Not understanding. Leafs have more quality options on the right so we shouldn't trade Kappy (RW) we should trade Johnsson (LW)???
That seems backwards to me
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:24 p.m.
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I guess so, unless it was amended since then, its pretty clear cut in the link I provided.


The link you provided is FAQ's to the CBA.... not the CBA. I guess if you want to base it off a website providing the synopsis to the CBA or an actual reference to the CBA you can make that choice.. Just don't tell too many people cause you're rolling around spreading falsehoods.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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What is doubtful? Are you doubting that the Dubnyk deals happened? Are you that dense?


Yeah being an ass is really going to further this discussion. Grow up. I could be wrong, I'm man enough to admit it, and this topic could have been amended at some point. Either way, this trade is dumb. Kapanen for a quarter season rental of Crawford, another 4th line plug and a pick for Kapanen and losing Ceci isn't helping TO in the slightest. There are much better trades they can make.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.
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The link you provided is FAQ's to the CBA.... not the CBA. I guess if you want to base it off a website providing the synopsis to the CBA or an actual reference to the CBA you can make that choice.. Just don't tell too many people cause you're rolling around spreading falsehoods.


As I mentioned in my last statement, getting all pissy and tossing insults isn't at all productive. I don't care to continue this conversation, no point in talking with people so quick to anger during a civil discussion. Grow up.
Jan. 14, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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As I mentioned in my last statement, getting all pissy and tossing insults isn't at all productive. I don't care to continue this conversation, no point in talking with people so quick to anger during a civil discussion. Grow up.


Haha, you doubted a link to a real life trade that happened where a players salary was retained over 50%, that there is not being man enough to admit when you are wrong that is banging your head against a wall trying to convince yourself that you're right. I have had zero anger whatsoever throughout this, if this is admitting you are wrong it is a very piss pants way to do so!
 
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