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Weak Link winning streak

Created by: Mononcsteph
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 14, 2020
Published: Jan. 14, 2020
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Hockey being a "weak link sport", we only need our worst players to be better than the opponent's worst. With the injured coming back, I would argue we have a great 4th line and 3rd pair of Defs. So looking forward to winning streak, 2019 Blues style!
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24$81,500,000$73,171,308$0$4,165,000$8,328,692

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Jan. 14, 2020 at 8:11 p.m.
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The habs have one of the best 3rd and 4th lines in the league, the only problem is they have one of the worse 2nd and 1st
Jan. 14, 2020 at 9:21 p.m.
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The habs have one of the best 3rd and 4th lines in the league, the only problem is they have one of the worse 2nd and 1st


Best 3rd and 4th lines in the league?????? One of the worst 1st and 2nd lines?? Huh?

Yeah....... Thompson, Cousins and Weal are definitely one of the best alright...... That Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line though, sheesh. What a stinker they are......
Jan. 14, 2020 at 10:15 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Best 3rd and 4th lines in the league?????? One of the worst 1st and 2nd lines?? Huh?

Yeah....... Thompson, Cousins and Weal are definitely one of the best alright...... That Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line though, sheesh. What a stinker they are......


Danault is the worst 1C in the league change my mind.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 6:37 a.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Best 3rd and 4th lines in the league?????? One of the worst 1st and 2nd lines?? Huh?

Yeah....... Thompson, Cousins and Weal are definitely one of the best alright...... That Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line though, sheesh. What a stinker they are......


Byron - Thompson - Armia or whoever you want to say the 4th line is, is definitely one of the better 4th lines in the league.
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Jan. 15, 2020 at 10:35 a.m.
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Edited Jan. 15, 2020 at 10:46 a.m.
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Byron - Thompson - Armia or whoever you want to say the 4th line is, is definitely one of the better 4th lines in the league.


Armia won't be on the 4th line? Gally>Armia>Suzuki>(Weal/cousins/Poehling/Byron/Lehkonen, etc)

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Drouin Domi Suzuki/Armia
Lehkonen Kotkaniemi Armia/Suzuki
Byron Thompson Poehling/Kovalchuk/Cousins/Weal/everyone else

That 4th line either healthy or not is no where near "elite" and the 3rd line is good but not elite until KK picks up his game, which I think he will next year once he's got a bit stronger and older in the offseason.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.
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Danault is the worst 1C in the league change my mind.


That's not what you asked. You said line as a whole. Habs 1st line when healthy is among the best in the league 5vs5. Not flashy, not spectacular. Just efficient. Habs second line when healthy, Drouin, Domi and either Suzuki/Armia also beat out a lot of other teams 2nd lines, easily.

If you watched the Habs, you'd know the weakness has been coming from 3rd and 4th lines as well as the shotty defense in front of the less than stellar Price these past couple years. Not the first two lines.

I don't need to change your mind on that. Its straight up facts backed up by statistics.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 11:45 a.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Armia won't be on the 4th line? Gally>Armia>Suzuki>(Weal/cousins/Poehling/Byron/Lehkonen, etc)

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Drouin Domi Suzuki/Armia
Lehkonen Kotkaniemi Armia/Suzuki
Byron Thompson Poehling/Kovalchuk/Cousins/Weal/everyone else

That 4th line either healthy or not is no where near "elite" and the 3rd line is good but not elite until KK picks up his game, which I think he will next year once he's got a bit stronger and older in the offseason.


With Linemates like those, KK will definitely pick it up. We've already seen his improvement just by having Poehling and Cousins play with him. He can't support a line by himself, which is what he was doing for the past 15 games. We saw just how good the 4th line was at the beginning of the season. You can argue all you want, but it's dominate when the team is healthy.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 11:51 a.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Armia won't be on the 4th line? Gally>Armia>Suzuki>(Weal/cousins/Poehling/Byron/Lehkonen, etc)

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Drouin Domi Suzuki/Armia
Lehkonen Kotkaniemi Armia/Suzuki
Byron Thompson Poehling/Kovalchuk/Cousins/Weal/everyone else

That 4th line either healthy or not is no where near "elite" and the 3rd line is good but not elite until KK picks up his game, which I think he will next year once he's got a bit stronger and older in the offseason.


Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Drouin - Domi - Suzuki
Lehkonen - Kotkaniemi - Kovalchuk
Byron - Thompson - Armia

Kovalchuk isn't built for the 4th line. Armia being on the 4th line makes the bottom 6 have that much more depth. It allows us to have 4 lines we can roll out and be dangerous.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 12:01 p.m.
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With Linemates like those, KK will definitely pick it up. We've already seen his improvement just by having Poehling and Cousins play with him. He can't support a line by himself, which is what he was doing for the past 15 games. We saw just how good the 4th line was at the beginning of the season. You can argue all you want, but it's dominate when the team is healthy.


Well yeah, better players usually equals better results but that doesn't mean they are one of the best in the league which is what papishark was referring to. "Improving" is pretty easy when your starting pretty low as is. He's not yet at the confidence of where he was last year so you are basing that assumption on a projection only.

As for the 4th line, that's a pretty small sample size to go on..... That line wasn't even together throughout that time early on.

Sorry but the only thing about the Habs that has been top of the league at this year has been their top line of Tatar-Danault-Gallagher (when healthy) as well as the resurgence of Weber, specifically with Chiarot by his side. Other areas have been "good" but not great nor near the top of the league. Although I will admit this whole thing is kind of subjective to a certain extent.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Drouin - Domi - Suzuki
Lehkonen - Kotkaniemi - Kovalchuk
Byron - Thompson - Armia

Kovalchuk isn't built for the 4th line. Armia being on the 4th line makes the bottom 6 have that much more depth. It allows us to have 4 lines we can roll out and be dangerous.


Playing Kovy ahead of Armia simply because Kovy isn't built for the 4th line is why I hope you never are a Habs coach.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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Well yeah, better players usually equals better results but that doesn't mean they are one of the best in the league which is what papishark was referring to. "Improving" is pretty easy when your starting pretty low as is. He's not yet at the confidence of where he was last year so you are basing that assumption on a projection only.

As for the 4th line, that's a pretty small sample size to go on..... That line wasn't even together throughout that time early on.

Sorry but the only thing about the Habs that has been top of the league at this year has been their top line of Tatar-Danault-Gallagher (when healthy) as well as the resurgence of Weber, specifically with Chiarot by his side. Other areas have been "good" but not great nor near the top of the league. Although I will admit this whole thing is kind of subjective to a certain extent.


We were in a playoff spot until these injuries started. You are severely underrating this team. They almost made it last year, and they proved it at the beginning of the season they weren't overachieving.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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Playing Kovy ahead of Armia simply because Kovy isn't built for the 4th line is why I hope you never are a Habs coach.


Would rather have two players playing at 70% than one at 100% and one at 10%.

Perhaps cheer for a different team or be quiet if you are that simply minded.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.
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We were in a playoff spot until these injuries started. You are severely underrating this team. They almost made it last year, and they proved it at the beginning of the season they weren't overachieving.


Once again, not doubting that they are "good" players. You are diverging to far from the whole point of the original comment. Habs 3rd and 4th lines based on stats and at least my opinion of the eye test show they aren't one of the best in the league. That's the debate here. Not whether I like Armia and KK or whatnot. I like our players but I'm going to call a spade a spade. They're decent but not nearly best in the league good.

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Would rather have two players playing at 70% than one at 100% and one at 10%.

Perhaps cheer for a different team or be quiet if you are that simply minded.


I prefer not playing Kovy at all if he can't play 4th line. (where he'd slot if the others are healthy) Much rather play players where they belong and Armia was outstanding this year and deserving of minimum 3rd line duties. Playing him on the 4th line would be a slap in the face motivationally and wouldn't help the Habs as much as you think (70%). Habs have other options than Kovy for the 4th line role if that's the case. It doesn't have to be two players at 70%. It can be Armia at 100% and Poehling/Cousins at 100% (playing 4th line where they currently would slot if everyone is healthy).

Don't get salty. I disagreed with you is all. Nothing simple minded about it. That line of thinking is not what I want from a coach in Montreal. You can think the exact opposite if you'd like and we can agree to disagree about it. Doesn't make me any less a fan than yourself.
 
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