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Some moves and healthy playoff roster

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The forward depth is insane tho.. Leafs basically have 22 forwards who proved they can play on NHL level after these moves. And 8 defensemen without counting Kivihalme and Liljegren who did not prove it yet. So you can say 10 (and no, Harpur doesnt count, he is atrocious for Marlies).
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Barrie and 2nd for Manson and Ceci with Bracco for Sherwood. I think its fair.
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Jan. 15, 2020 at 4:51 a.m.
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Barrie walks at free agency to a contender (my guess is vancouver) he has very little value to ANA unless they can manage to flip him again
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Jan. 15, 2020 at 5:01 a.m.
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ANA NYR decline
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Manson is going to require one of Liljegren or Sandin coming back the other way. We'd take Ceci on for your 2nd or even CBJs 3rd (at TDL only).
Jan. 15, 2020 at 5:05 a.m.
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Manson is going to require one of Liljegren or Sandin coming back the other way. We'd take Ceci on for your 2nd or even CBJs 3rd (at TDL only).


No effing way either of those are included
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NYR would be wise to take that deal and run.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 5:31 a.m.
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No effing way either of those are included


Fine. If we're moving out a top 4 D-man, we need someone to replace him. Ideally we'd add to Manson to get a prospect with top pairing potential, but that is an unrealistic expectation. However, getting a prospect with top 4 D potential, which is what Liljegren and Sandin have at best, is totally reasonable. You talk about them like they have top pairing potential... haahahaha... which they don't. Not even close.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 5:48 a.m.
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Fine. If we're moving out a top 4 D-man, we need someone to replace him. Ideally we'd add to Manson to get a prospect with top pairing potential, but that is an unrealistic expectation. However, getting a prospect with top 4 D potential, which is what Liljegren and Sandin have at best, is totally reasonable. You talk about them like they have top pairing potential... haahahaha... which they don't. Not even close.


Sandin has top pairing potential without any doubt. Liljegren top-4, but Leafs are not moving him. Also.. you are getting top-4 defenseman in that deal.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 5:58 a.m.
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Sandin has top pairing potential without any doubt. Liljegren top-4, but Leafs are not moving him. Also.. you are getting top-4 defenseman in that deal.


Yeah, thanks for the pending UFA. I should have prefixed that with "young" top 4 D-man.

Sandin doesn't have top pairing potential... not even close. 1 good showing at the WJC against kids doesn't change anything. He's got top 4 potential. The transition from AHL to NHL isn't linear and neither is moving from 3rd pairing heavily sheltered minutes to 1st pairing minutes against the leagues best. He was drafted very late and isn't progressing anywhere near the rate that Dahlin and Hughes are, the only two D prospects from the same draft with top pairing potential.

Fine. Don't move either of them. It's not unreasonable to expect a young top 4D replacement when you're giving up a top 4 D. We don't want Barrie and your scraps.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 6:12 a.m.
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Yeah, thanks for the pending UFA. I should have prefixed that with "young" top 4 D-man.

Sandin doesn't have top pairing potential... not even close. 1 good showing at the WJC against kids doesn't change anything. He's got top 4 potential. The transition from AHL to NHL isn't linear and neither is moving from 3rd pairing heavily sheltered minutes to 1st pairing minutes against the leagues best. He was drafted very late and isn't progressing anywhere near the rate that Dahlin and Hughes are, the only two D prospects from the same draft with top pairing potential.

Fine. Don't move either of them. It's not unreasonable to expect a young top 4D replacement when you're giving up a top 4 D. We don't want Barrie and your scraps.


You dont follow prospects closely, do you? Sandin isnt about just one good showing at WJC LMAO. He was draft in first round and is one of the best players of that 1st round. Stop making fool out of yourself please. Hughes and Dahlin are better.. of course jesus christ. Defensemen take a lot of time to develop and Sandin is one of the youngest players ever to play top pairing minutes in every role in AHL ever. Liljegren too. Liljegren is in his third season in AHL as 20yr old. 2nd as defensive cornerstone. They are progressing to become top pairing Dmen and top-4 Dman respectivelly.

You aint getting either of them for 28yr old player who has regressed in last 2 seasons. Johnsson+Barrie for Manson (young top-6 forward and top 4 Dman for top-4 Dman) would be my other offer but Barrie, 2nd and Bracco is similar value.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 6:57 a.m.
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Sandin has top pairing potential without any doubt. Liljegren top-4, but Leafs are not moving him. Also.. you are getting top-4 defenseman in that deal.


Why would Anaheim want 2 UFAs, an AHL player and a non 1st round pick for one of their best assets? Easy pass
Jan. 15, 2020 at 7:07 a.m.
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You dont follow prospects closely, do you? Sandin isnt about just one good showing at WJC LMAO. He was draft in first round and is one of the best players of that 1st round. Stop making fool out of yourself please. Hughes and Dahlin are better.. of course jesus christ. Defensemen take a lot of time to develop and Sandin is one of the youngest players ever to play top pairing minutes in every role in AHL ever. Liljegren too. Liljegren is in his third season in AHL as 20yr old. 2nd as defensive cornerstone. They are progressing to become top pairing Dmen and top-4 Dman respectivelly.

You aint getting either of them for 28yr old player who has regressed in last 2 seasons. Johnsson+Barrie for Manson (young top-6 forward and top 4 Dman for top-4 Dman) would be my other offer but Barrie, 2nd and Bracco is similar value.


He was drafted 29th OA. Literally the bottom of the 1st round. Lol... he's not a top 10 pick. I love how you keep talking about the AHL like it matters. The NHL is a massive jump from the AHL and pretty much all D-men struggle with the jump, which is usually why it takes them a lot longer than forwards to secure themselves in the NHL. Like seriously, name something specific that has vaulted Sandin into top pairing potential? What has he done exactly that means he's suddenly better than he was in his draft year? Cause if he had top pairing potential then he'd have gone top 10... and don't bother with all the "he's great in the AHL!" stuff. Terry and Steel dominate the AHL and have struggled transitioning to the NHL. It is a completely different game so you can't just plot two points and draw a line.

Pass. Absolutely awful offer. A pending UFA + a winger we don't need or a B-prospect struggling to stick it in the NHL and a 2nd. Just TOR scraps.

P.S. Manson is a 28 year old who has regressed, but you still want him. He's so terrible, but he's an upgrade on what you currently have and you've put him on your top pairing. Good logic.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 7:39 a.m.
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laugh laugh Get real Josh Manson is worth more then a pending UFA in Tyson Barrie and a 2nd, Yeah Manson has regressed but come on that's pure garbage for him.
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Manson is going to require one of Liljegren or Sandin coming back the other way. We'd take Ceci on for your 2nd or even CBJs 3rd (at TDL only).


Sandin is already better than Manson, who really is loved for reasons unknown.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 8:21 a.m.
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Certainly the Ducks don't move Manson for two expiring contracts. But the Leafs really can't do the trades as posted. Leafs need all the Dmen they can muster. Trading two Dmen and just getting one in return doesn't help this year.
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Yeah, thanks for the pending UFA. I should have prefixed that with "young" top 4 D-man.

Sandin doesn't have top pairing potential... not even close. 1 good showing at the WJC against kids doesn't change anything. He's got top 4 potential. The transition from AHL to NHL isn't linear and neither is moving from 3rd pairing heavily sheltered minutes to 1st pairing minutes against the leagues best. He was drafted very late and isn't progressing anywhere near the rate that Dahlin and Hughes are, the only two D prospects from the same draft with top pairing potential.

Fine. Don't move either of them. It's not unreasonable to expect a young top 4D replacement when you're giving up a top 4 D. We don't want Barrie and your scraps.


Could you please explain the difference between top pair and top four Dman. I don't know of any difference. They often play the same minutes at even strength or event the PK The more offensive player get more PP time, but is that difference a top pairing Dman and the rest? Just think folks throw out the term, and they really mean nothing.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 9:36 a.m.
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Sandin is already better than Manson, who really is loved for reasons unknown.


Disingenuous and delusional TOR fans be disingenuous and delusional I guess.

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Could you please explain the difference between top pair and top four Dman. I don't know of any difference. They often play the same minutes at even strength or event the PK The more offensive player get more PP time, but is that difference a top pairing Dman and the rest? Just think folks throw out the term, and they really mean nothing.


Top pairing D-men play well against tougher opponents and need bigger gas tanks due to the amount of minutes they play.
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Disingenuous and delusional TOR fans be disingenuous and delusional I guess.



Top pairing D-men play well against tougher opponents and need bigger gas tanks due to the amount of minutes they play.


If that's the case, their isn't difference between the the top four on the Leafs. Barrie and Reilly don't play PK, but they do play the PP. Even last year, Reilly wasn't a PK guy. Holl, Ceci, Muzzin (now Marincin) do the heavy PK minutes, Don't see Keefe being that obsessed with pair match ups especially one the road. Most good teams have two good to great lines, So in the Leafs case, it really doesn't make the much difference who the top four are. Part of the reason is the three RHD on the Leafs this season has been their weakness. Barrie, Ceci and Holl, individually and collectively have been ranged from poor to average with only glimpses of "goodness". It's the Leafs LHD that has been average to good consistently. Reilly, Muzzin, Dermot and now Marincin. We'll see how Sandin holds up this years. But certainly in his second year of the AHL and he still of junior age, he has been good to very good . Sure looks to be a long time good NHLer.
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Disingenuous and delusional TOR fans be disingenuous and delusional I guess.



Top pairing D-men play well against tougher opponents and need bigger gas tanks due to the amount of minutes they play.


When? Anahiem hasn't been good for 2 years, give up a tonne of chances and are a bad team. Every bottom dwelling team's fan base thinks their depth players are going to fetch huge returns when the reality if they were great players, they would be doing a lot more to help their team be great. Manson isn't a player that moves the needle much at all. Keep him.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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If that's the case, their isn't difference between the the top four on the Leafs. Barrie and Reilly don't play PK, but they do play the PP. Even last year, Reilly wasn't a PK guy. Holl, Ceci, Muzzin (now Marincin) do the heavy PK minutes, Don't see Keefe being that obsessed with pair match ups especially one the road. Most good teams have two good to great lines, So in the Leafs case, it really doesn't make the much difference who the top four are. Part of the reason is the three RHD on the Leafs this season has been their weakness. Barrie, Ceci and Holl, individually and collectively have been ranged from poor to average with only glimpses of "goodness". It's the Leafs LHD that has been average to good consistently. Reilly, Muzzin, Dermot and now Marincin. We'll see how Sandin holds up this years. But certainly in his second year of the AHL and he still of junior age, he has been good to very good . Sure looks to be a long time good NHLer.


If Sandin has top pairing potential because TOR's current top pairing are just a bunch of glorified top 4 D-men getting more PP time then fine. May he does have top pairing potential in that case. If we're talking about the league wide definition of a top pairing D-man though, he hasn't done anything to suggest he's got top pairing potential. Is he progressing well towards becoming a very good NHL-level D-man? Absolutely. Is progression linear? No. He could fly into a top 4 role and then stagnate.

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When? Anahiem hasn't been good for 2 years, give up a tonne of chances and are a bad team. Every bottom dwelling team's fan base thinks their depth players are going to fetch huge returns when the reality if they were great players, they would be doing a lot more to help their team be great. Manson isn't a player that moves the needle much at all. Keep him.


Lol... yeah, because team success has nothing to do with bad coaching or the decline of elite players or the loss of big name players to injury or an over-reliance on kids to generate nearly all offence. It's just Manson. Manson's regression is the only reason ANA is doing badly. What are you on about?

Manson isn't a depth player. He's a legit top 4D on any team in the league, and a quality addition to a contender given his skillset. Your dislike of him doesn't change that.
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If Sandin has top pairing potential because TOR's current top pairing are just a bunch of glorified top 4 D-men getting more PP time then fine. May he does have top pairing potential in that case. If we're talking about the league wide definition of a top pairing D-man though, he hasn't done anything to suggest he's got top pairing potential. Is he progressing well towards becoming a very good NHL-level D-man? Absolutely. Is progression linear? No. He could fly into a top 4 role and then stagnate.



Lol... yeah, because team success has nothing to do with bad coaching or the decline of elite players or the loss of big name players to injury or an over-reliance on kids to generate nearly all offence. It's just Manson. Manson's regression is the only reason ANA is doing badly. What are you on about?

Manson isn't a depth player. He's a legit top 4D on any team in the league, and a quality addition to a contender given his skillset. Your dislike of him doesn't change that.


Sandin was named the best Defenceman at the World Juniors and TSN has him listed as the best defenceman not playing in the NHL. What exactly are you talking about? Honestly what has Manson actually done to deserve any of the praise and value you keep heaping on him? His best season was a 37 point season, and apart from that he's been a 20 point defensive guy who kills penalties.

Also I am not blaming Manson for all the problems the Ducks are facing, I am just pointing out he's not really part of the solution. Manson is a guy that is great to have when you are a top level team and he can play a simple role of supporting better players and killing penalties. Just give it up already, keep him. He's a good player but I have no need for him at anywhere near the costs you want to see. On top of all that I am not sure it even makes sense for TO to take on his contract and then have to protect him in the expansion draft.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 5:01 p.m.
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Sandin was named the best Defenceman at the World Juniors and TSN has him listed as the best defenceman not playing in the NHL. What exactly are you talking about?


Who cares? He played good against kids? What does that prove? He's a good player and very likely going to be a good NHLer. However, that doesn't move the needle on his upside. Plenty of players have done well at the WJC and it's turned to nothing i.e. Jesse Puljujärvi, Casey Mittlestadt, Denis Golda, Ryan Poehling, all tournament MVPs that haven't done jack at the NHL level. Equally, tonnes of really, really good players have had poor WJCs and turned out just fine (I see Byfield is still #2 OA in this years draft despite his dismal performance).

Also, he's not the best D-man not playing in the NHL according to TSN. That award goes to Bowen Byram, who actually has top pairing potential https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-dominate-top-spots-in-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251. You keep getting your facts wrong. I would also add that TSN is incredibly biased towards Canadian players and teams.

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Honestly what has Manson actually done to deserve any of the praise and value you keep heaping on him? His best season was a 37 point season, and apart from that he's been a 20 point defensive guy who kills penalties.


Why do you keep mentioning points? Manson is a defence first D-man, just like Lindholm. In any event, 37 pts is a respectable season total for a D-man, good enough for 33rd highest amongst D-man that season. In fact, only Reilly and Gardiner have had higher season totals for TOR in the past 8 seasons.

Errrrr... how about Manson spent two years on arguably the best shutdown D pairing in the league. Even if you just use Corsi to judge your D-men, which many seem to do these days, Manson stats demonstrate exactly how he built his reputation as a reliable shutdown D-man against the league's best. Like I keep repeating, he's regressed to the point he's no longer suited for a top pairing role (IMO), but he's still a solid top 4 D-man on any team in the league and because of his strong defensive game, mobility and willingness to hit and fight, he'd be perfect addition to a contender heading into the playoffs. You talk about good top 4 D-man with proven track records like their a dime-a-dozen. Moreover, Manson has a unique skillset and is far better suited for the playoffs than offensive machines like Barrie who cause more goals than they create.

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Also I am not blaming Manson for all the problems the Ducks are facing, I am just pointing out he's not really part of the solution. Manson is a guy that is great to have when you are a top level team and he can play a simple role of supporting better players and killing penalties. Just give it up already, keep him. He's a good player but I have no need for him at anywhere near the costs you want to see. On top of all that I am not sure it even makes sense for TO to take on his contract and then have to protect him in the expansion draft.


Is Lindholm not part of the solution then? What about Gibson? He's awful too I guess. Rakell? Silfverberg? All terrible because the Ducks continue to lose on an almost daily basis. I am really not understanding your point. Are you suggesting that all bottom feeder teams are devoid of talent because their players can't win games by themselves? Good logic. SMH!
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Who cares? He played good against kids? What does that prove? He's a good player and very likely going to be a good NHLer. However, that doesn't move the needle on his upside. Plenty of players have done well at the WJC and it's turned to nothing i.e. Jesse Puljujärvi, Casey Mittlestadt, Denis Golda, Ryan Poehling, all tournament MVPs that haven't done jack at the NHL level. Equally, tonnes of really, really good players have had poor WJCs and turned out just fine (I see Byfield is still #2 OA in this years draft despite his dismal performance).

Also, he's not the best D-man not playing in the NHL according to TSN. That award goes to Bowen Byram, who actually has top pairing potential https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-dominate-top-spots-in-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251. You keep getting your facts wrong. I would also add that TSN is incredibly biased towards Canadian players and teams.



Why do you keep mentioning points? Manson is a defence first D-man, just like Lindholm. In any event, 37 pts is a respectable season total for a D-man, good enough for 33rd highest amongst D-man that season. In fact, only Reilly and Gardiner have had higher season totals for TOR in the past 8 seasons.

Errrrr... how about Manson spent two years on arguably the best shutdown D pairing in the league. Even if you just use Corsi to judge your D-men, which many seem to do these days, Manson stats demonstrate exactly how he built his reputation as a reliable shutdown D-man against the league's best. Like I keep repeating, he's regressed to the point he's no longer suited for a top pairing role (IMO), but he's still a solid top 4 D-man on any team in the league and because of his strong defensive game, mobility and willingness to hit and fight, he'd be perfect addition to a contender heading into the playoffs. You talk about good top 4 D-man with proven track records like their a dime-a-dozen.



Is Lindholm not part of the solution then? What about Gibson? He's awful too I guess. Rakell? Silfverberg? All terrible because the Ducks continue to lose on an almost daily basis. I am really not understanding your point. Are you suggesting that all bottom feeder teams are devoid of talent because their players can't win games by themselves? Good logic. SMH!


Dude you are hopeless. I don't even care anymore. From the get go, I have said, if this is the price for Manson, keep him. Your response is essentially, he's worth everything because you want that to be the case. PLEASE READ THIS PART.

I DON'T WANT MANSON.

Keep him, he's not worth what you want. So keep him. End of debate, you can keep barking about how terrible Sandin is going to be or whatever else you want to say to justify your stance but the reality is Manson isn't worth a future top pair defenceman who is right now looking like a good NHLer at 19. End of debate, Sandin can do things that Manson just can't do and never will be able to do. Manson won't get what you want out of TO. So pick a different team to target, because you are never going to convince me otherwise no matter how much nonsense you throw my way. You win, I am not asking for Manson. Accept that and go away.
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Dude you are hopeless. I don't even care anymore. From the get go, I have said, if this is the price for Manson, keep him. Your response is essentially, he's worth everything because you want that to be the case. PLEASE READ THIS PART.

I DON'T WANT MANSON.


Thank you for proving my point. Clearly blinded by your hatred of Manson.

Yes, Manson carries enough value to warrant a Sandin or Liljegren like return. Whether TOR should make that trade is debatable, but the value is absolutely there. A prospect with top 4 D potential + a pick for a top 4D is a standard trade. See Montour for Guhle + 1st as evidence.

Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Keep him, he's not worth what you want. So keep him. End of debate, you can keep barking about how terrible Sandin is going to be or whatever else you want to say to justify your stance but the reality is Manson isn't worth a future top pair defenceman who is right now looking like a good NHLer at 19. End of debate, Sandin can do things that Manson just can't do and never will be able to do. Manson won't get what you want out of TO. So pick a different team to target, because you are never going to convince me otherwise no matter how much nonsense you throw my way. You win, I am not asking for Manson.


Of course we'll keep him. You do realise that we're not actually making a deal here? Lol.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sandin doesn't have top pairing potential. You keep trying to justify it and can't even get your facts right. The kid was drafted 29th OA. He's not even a top 10 pick. He's got top 4 potential max. Just another day dealing with a delusional TOR fan who think their prospects are the best.

Manson can do things that Sandin just can't and never will. What's your point?

Fine. I don't care if you think TOR won't cough up what it takes to get Manson. We will just keep him then. He won't be moved for Ceci + some TOR scraps. We moved Montour to BUF for a young D prospect as a replacement + 1st. Manson is better than Montour so we'd need a better return. It's as simple as.

Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Accept that and go away.


You do realise you don't have to respond right? Don't get pissy, just click the "x" at the top of the screen.
Jan. 15, 2020 at 6:20 p.m.
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Thank you for proving my point. Clearly blinded by your hatred of Manson.

Yes, Manson carries enough value to warrant a Sandin or Liljegren like return. Whether TOR should make that trade is debatable, but the value is absolutely there. A prospect with top 4 D potential + a pick for a top 4D is a standard trade. See Montour for Guhle + 1st as evidence.



Of course we'll keep him. You do realise that we're not actually making a deal here? Lol.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sandin doesn't have top pairing potential. You keep trying to justify it and can't even get your facts right. The kid was drafted 29th OA. He's not even a top 10 pick. He's got top 4 potential max. Just another day dealing with a delusional TOR fan who think their prospects are the best.

Manson can do things that Sandin just can't and never will. What's your point?

Fine. I don't care if you think TOR won't cough up what it takes to get Manson. We will just keep him then. He won't be moved for Ceci + some TOR scraps. We moved Montour to BUF for a young D prospect as a replacement + 1st. Manson is better than Montour so we'd need a better return. It's as simple as.



You do realise you don't have to respond right? Don't get pissy, just click the "x" at the top of the screen.


You clearly are blinded by your love for Manson. Cool
Jan. 16, 2020 at 4:37 a.m.
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You clearly are blinded by your love for Manson. Cool


Nope, expecting a prospect with top 4D potential in exchange for a current top 4D of Manson's abilities isn't unreasonable. I have given you examples where we have traded lesser players for a similar return.
 
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