Talks start with Lilja, Ducks don't really need anything else other than RD, and Bracco brings literaly 0 value, neither does Ceci

Just awful. TOR fans keep putting him on their top pairing too, even on a healthy roster! But ask them to pay fair rate and it's like "no way!!! those prospects are too valuable". He's going to be on your top line!!!!

Ceci is rhd, ducks could certainly re sign him and have two picks and a prospect in the bank. All for a Dman who isn’t playing that much better than ceci.

On the other side do the leafs want to pay that price for a marginal upgrade and miss the opportunity to sign a better top pairing Dman?

I wouldn’t move Lilly in a 1 for 1 at this point.

If the difference between Manson and Ceci is as marginal as you say it is, why make the trade?

My point exactly. Manson has not been great last year or this year. To be honest he had one great season.

He would be an upgrade on ceci but ceci is gone next season and his 4.5m can be put towards a better Dman.

Yeah, no need or want to resign Ceci, Manson is in fact doing much better (he played hurt to start the year iirc, to many injuries for me to remember tho, and he's been good and improving since coming back aside from like two plays), and Ceci is still well below average

Ducks and leafs do not line up as trade partners. Manson certainly won’t be part of their next playoff push but moving him when his value is so low and they are so thin on rhd May not make sense either.

Muzzin who was playing great brought in a late first and two b prospects. I think Manson would bring in less. Hardly worth it for the ducks.

The Leaf fans that keep trading for Manson are the same ones who also trade a 3rd of the roster every time they lose two in a row. Panicked fair-weather fans who really have no idea how the game is played. You really like to go after all Leaf fans as though every single one is the extreme homer who thinks Goat is worth McDavid. Using outliers to prove a point doesn't prove anything beyond your own ridiculousness.

I mean like in a vacuum, the trades that most people post on here are fair value wise (some aren't obv) but just that the ducks only needs are a high end goal scorer (obv going to need more than Manson to get that, so that option is out) and RD that are close to ready, so the picks that are fair value have much less value to the ducks because there isn't a guarantee that there will be an RHD available within a reasonable range of that pick, and even if there is he probably won't be ready for at least a few more years

Much like in all public conversation these days, everything is extreme and on this site there is no middle ground. A player is terrific and worth a boat load of assets, or he's terrible and worth nothing. Manson is better than Ceci, no question. How much better, I'd say its a fair amount. What people on here will say instead is Ceci is the worst player ever and Manson is easily TO's best defenceman now. Both of those statements are ridiculous. The other thing people on here keep doing when trading Manson is using the whole, "he's worth more to us so you have to overpay" which is just fans wanting more than he's worth because they like him. Sure some GM's overpay for various reasons, generally because they are desperate to keep their jobs and need to make a splash. Generally, you pay what a player is worth because that is good business, for a team like Anahiem that is not good and needs to rebuild, no one under the age of 25 has much value to them. They have more value in moving them than keeping them. Who cares if he's your current best RHD, your team sucks and that doesn't mean anything. Get young ones, not necessarily by trading Manson, if you can sure but you are also talking about an asset that isn't really anything special. A 20 point defensive defenceman who's not been effective at keeping high danger chances down, isn't worth a boat load of assets.

Here comes the whole Manson is better than Muzzin because........fans say so, there is absolutely zero evidence of that but they'll say it anyways.

Their only needs are everything they can get their hands on. They need elite talent to supplement their growing stable of really good support guys. Don't fall into the trap of thinking pretty good players are going to make you a contender again, you need elite talent. You have guys that I see being the equivalent to JVR and other 60 point players. I don't see anything in your system that shouts super elite or even elite and that means you need to get those high end draft picks and lots of them. Desperately holding onto guys like Manson hoping for some dream return and then thinking one more young player is going to turn you into a contender again is just false hope. Fire sale and rebuild.

I'd do lilligren, Bracco, Ceci for Manson and a 5th.

Thank god we pay dubas and Pridham the big bucks to steer us clear of bad ideas like this.

I’m going to side with Logan here, Ducks need to burn it down. They have some decent prospects but nothing that pops out as cup contenders in the next 5 years. Maybe not even playoff contenders.

Gibson, Raks (or analytically Kase), Lindholm, Zegras and a top 5-10 pick in 2020... plus tons and tons of depth

And comtois... which = meh. A bunch of okay to good players. Lindholm May be their best player. Are Zegras and Comtois going to carry this team like Mcdavid and Draisaitl? Toss is either 3-4 more great players or 1 or 2 elite players and you’re cooking. This team ends up being the Minnesota Wild.

Uhhhh... I think you're missing GIBSON, only the best G in the world, and Lindholm has the ability to be a top 10 LD in the world as well, they're gonna be a defence first team, with great depth, see NYI, but better defense and goalies (and worse coach as of now)

So the team with no rhd is going to be the best defensive team? Certainly does sound like a Lou team but not the islanders... the leafs.

Top ten pick in 2020 and Manson/Lilja was the original debate I believe we were having