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Dubois Offered Marner Money Price to Colorado

Created by: HabsRafiki
Initial Creation Date: Jan 6, 2020
Published: Jan 15 at 4:23 pm
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
This assumes the Habs are supremely confident in their prospect pool, which looks like it will include another top-10 pick this year, though I have included him in this model.

AT THE TRADE DEADLINE: It saddens me to say that the window for Carey Price in Montreal is closing fast and he won't be a meaningful part of Habs' long-term future. This deal assumes he would welcome the chance to move to a team that is further along the development curve. Colorado has a deep prospect pool and the cap space to make this work. They also have a great history with former Montreal goalies.

ON JULY 1: A hostile move by the Habs to sign away Dubois would force the Blue Jackets to blow up the nucleus of their team or take the four 1st-round picks. Columbus is 29th in the league in revenues, according to Forbes, and is already up near the cap when Atkinson, Nyqvist, Foligno, Wennberg, Seth Jones, Warenski, Dubinski and Ryan Murray are healthy.

If the Jackets match, Habs still add Jost and rotate Domi back to centre.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Ylönen, Jesse3$850,000
Romanov, Alexander3$925,000
Hillis, Cameron3$925,000
Caufield, Cole3$925,000
McShane, Allan3$825,000
Fairbrother, Gianni3$820,000
Ikonen, Joni3$820,000
Fonstad, Cole3$870,000
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël3$700,000
Harris, Jordan3$900,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Vejdemo, Lukas3$920,000
Juulsen, Noah3$900,000
Evans, Jake3$1,100,000
Mete, Victor3$2,200,000
Dauphin, Laurent2$900,000
Dubois, Pierre-Luc6$10,893,000
Jost, Tyson3$3,250,000
Domi, Max3$6,250,000
Barber, Riley1$725,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kovalchuk, Ilya1$2,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Dubois, Pierre-Luc$13,071,600
2021 1st round pick
2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick
2024 1st round pick
Trades
MTL
  1. Byram, Bowen
  2. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  3. Grubauer, Philipp
Additional Details:
There might be some need for a few extra picks to be included, but this is the gist of the trade.
COL
  1. Price, Carey ($3,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
There might be some need for a few extra picks to be included, but this is the gist of the trade.
MTL
  1. 2022 4th round pick (DET)
Pick becomes a #3 if Kulak is re-signed to an extension.
DET
  1. Kulak, Brett
Additional Details:
Pick becomes a #3 if Kulak is re-signed to an extension.
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Carey Price: $3,500,000 (33.33%)
Buried
  • Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)
  • Jake Evans: $25,000 ($1,100,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
OTT
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
DET
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$81,607,641$0$6,295,000$1,392,359
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Domi, Max
$6,250,000
C, LW
RFA
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$10,893,000
C, LW
RFA
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
Jost, Tyson
$3,250,000
C, LW, RW
RFA
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
MTL
Kovalchuk, Ilya
$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Byram, Bowen
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
MTL
Primeau, Cayden
$880,833
G
RFA - 2
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
$925,000
LD
RFA
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Fleury, Cale
$771,666
RD
RFA - 1
MTL
Mete, Victor
$2,200,000
LD
RFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
$900,000
RD
RFA

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Jan 15 at 4:26
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Even with retaining 3.5M, We don't get all 3 of those guys for Carey.
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Jan 15 at 4:26
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Louis Leblanc 2.0?
Jan 15 at 4:27
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Burgers and Hockey
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Terrible for Avs. Price isn't even that much better than Grubauer...
Jan 15 at 4:30
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Quoting: Howyoudrouinnn
Even with retaining 3.5M, We don't get all 3 of those guys for Carey.


Originally, I just had Jost and Byram, but added Grubauer because I figured Sakic would want to move him out. I'm fine leaving him out.
Jan 15 at 4:33
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Dr.
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considering you only offered aho 8.4 i doubt you'd be willing to go all in and burn 4 firsts on dubois. Plus colorado is not dealing byram or else he would have went for hall.
Jan 15 at 4:34
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Terrible for Avs. Price isn't even that much better than Grubauer...


You know that's not true, both statistically and in terms of winning the big games. Price has carried a lot of lousy Montreal teams (just as Patrick Roy did). Just think what he could do one a team that can actually control the puck.
Jan 15 at 4:35
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Leafs
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you're not getting byram, a young third liner, and a solid starting goalie for a 32 year old declining goalie well past his prime with a brutal contract, even if you retain and make it 7.5mil. term is awful
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Jan 15 at 4:39
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Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
considering you only offered aho 8.4 i doubt you'd be willing to go all in and burn 4 firsts on dubois. Plus colorado is not dealing byram or else he would have went for hall.


You didn't need a Taylor Hall. You do need a good goalie.

I chalk up Aho to a learning experience. It was the first offer sheet in ages. In the end, Aho ended up being the third-highest paid RFA signing anyway, behind only Marner and Rantanen. Dubois is a French Canadian kid who has shown he can play in the NHL. I bet Serge Savard could even be persuaded to unretire his #18 (though Dubois might prefer #81 instead).
Jan 15 at 4:43
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Quoting: leafs101
you're not getting byram, a young third liner, and a solid starting goalie for a 32 year old declining goalie well past his prime with a brutal contract, even if you retain and make it 7.5mil. term is awful


So why do you think teams are calling the Habs? Price's numbers for the past two years aren't stellar until you look at the workload and the rotten Habs teams he has been playing behind.
Jan 15 at 4:47
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Carey Price, with his contract has negative trade value. For the love of god make it stop
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Jan 15 at 4:50
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
So why do you think teams are calling the Habs? Price's numbers for the past two years aren't stellar until you look at the workload and the rotten Habs teams he has been playing behind.


byram will not be moved for price. it would just be stupid to move a future top pairing dman for price when the avs don't have an issue in net
Jan 15 at 4:54
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Quoting: KoneDome
Louis Leblanc 2.0?


Who is, Dubois? Interesting assessment.
Jan 15 at 4:58
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
You know that's not true, both statistically and in terms of winning the big games. Price has carried a lot of lousy Montreal teams (just as Patrick Roy did). Just think what he could do one a team that can actually control the puck.


Statistically, Grubauer has been better than Price this year.

In terms of contract, Grubauer is way above of Price.

In general level, Price might be better, but the value difference is not Byram and Jost. That's absolutely f*cking ridiculous idea to even consider.

It's either Habs that suck or Price suck. I think Price is not as good as you seem to think.
Jan 15 at 5:02
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Quoting: leafs101
byram will not be moved for price. it would just be stupid to move a future top pairing dman for price when the avs don't have an issue in net


Except Colorado has a whole lot of top-pairing defencemen throughout the organization. Girard, Makar, Graves, Zadorov, Timmins, Meloche ... to name a few.
Jan 15 at 5:03
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Is no one going to mention the fact that Columbus would be laughing? 4 firsts and they wouldn’t have to pay him 11 mil
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Jan 15 at 5:08
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
You didn't need a Taylor Hall. You do need a good goalie.

I chalk up Aho to a learning experience. It was the first offer sheet in ages. In the end, Aho ended up being the third-highest paid RFA signing anyway, behind only Marner and Rantanen. Dubois is a French Canadian kid who has shown he can play in the NHL. I bet Serge Savard could even be persuaded to unretire his #18 (though Dubois might prefer #81 instead).


Obvisouly you haven't watched any colorado hockey over the past year. Grubes has been solid. He has the same numbers as price these past 2 years being 4 years younger and currently 7 mil cheaper. Theres no point to throw away byram for a slight upgrade in net and that's if price can get back to his elite form which he hasn't had since 16-17.
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Jan 15 at 5:21
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Statistically, Grubauer has been better than Price this year.

In terms of contract, Grubauer is way above of Price.

In general level, Price might be better, but the value difference is not Byram and Jost. That's absolutely f*cking ridiculous idea to even consider.

It's either Habs that suck or Price suck. I think Price is not as good as you seem to think.


Contracts are largely meaningless to both teams as the cap is not and isn't likely to be a problem for either team in the next 4-5 years.

If you seriously believe you'd rather have Grubauer between the pipes for Game 1 of the playoffs, more power to you. See you on the golf course. (We'll already be there, of course. Heck, we're almost there now)
Jan 15 at 5:22
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Quoting: WinnipegDucksFan
Is no one going to mention the fact that Columbus would be laughing? 4 firsts and they wouldn’t have to pay him 11 mil


Sounds like a win-win, then.
Jan 15 at 5:26
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
Sounds like a win-win, then.


In what world is he worth marner money
Jan 15 at 5:38
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Quoting: Howyoudrouinnn
Even with retaining 3.5M, We don't get all 3 of those guys for Carey.


you dont get any of those guys for carey
Jan 15 at 5:42
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
Contracts are largely meaningless to both teams as the cap is not and isn't likely to be a problem for either team in the next 4-5 years.


What? Cap hit is absolutely an issue in this deal. in fact thats the main reason nobody wants to touch price with a 10 foot pole (the other main reason being his term). Price's contract is longer than any other player's contract on the Avs, so they need to worry about re-signing literally every single player they have before Price's deal expires.
Jan 15 at 5:45
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Except Colorado has a whole lot of top-pairing defencemen throughout the organization. Girard, Makar, Graves, Zadorov, Timmins, Meloche ... to name a few.


Graves, Zadorov wont be top pairing D men. Girard, and Timmins likely wont be but could be good 2nd pair D men. The only guys with legit top-pair upside is Byram and Makar. Meloche isnt even in the Avs organization anymore.
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Jan 15 at 6:19
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
Contracts are largely meaningless to both teams as the cap is not and isn't likely to be a problem for either team in the next 4-5 years.

If you seriously believe you'd rather have Grubauer between the pipes for Game 1 of the playoffs, more power to you. See you on the golf course. (We'll already be there, of course. Heck, we're almost there now)


You obviously haven't taken to account that COL have to re-sign assets such as Landeskog, Makar and Kadri in a matter of 2-3 years. Acquiring Price makes that nigh impossible.

If money wasn't an issue, I'd take Price. But money is and always will be an issue.
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Jan 15 at 6:24
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You obviously haven't taken to account that COL have to re-sign assets such as Landeskog, Makar and Kadri in a matter of 2-3 years. Acquiring Price makes that nigh impossible.

If money wasn't an issue, I'd take Price. But money is and always will be an issue.


even if they did find a way to keep those 3 with Price, his contract is so long it would also affect MacKinnon & Byram contracts, not to mention countless others
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Jan 15 at 6:26
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Quoting: moli92
even if they did find a way to keep those 3 with Price, his contract is so long it would also affect MacKinnon & Byram contracts, not to mention countless others


Basically everyone. Price's contract is longer than everyone's.
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