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Created by: ericdufour
Initial Creation Date: Jan 16, 2020
Published: Jan 16, 2020 at 4:13
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
By the way, Bergevin is let go prior that. No hard feeling, its time as the business suffered during his time.
Trades
MTL
  1. Subban, P.K.
Additional Details:
To replace Petry, if Weber get injured, MTL need a replacement
NJD
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Throwing the towel on Juulsen
MTL
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  2. 2020 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Tatar, Tomas ($800,000 retained)
MTL
    Future Consideration
    TBL
    1. Thompson, Nate
    MTL
    1. Eakin, Cody
    2. Carrier, William
    3. 2020 1st round pick (VGK)
    4. 2020 2nd round pick (PIT)
    5. 2021 2nd round pick (NJD)
    VGK
    1. Kovalchuk, Ilya
    2. Petry, Jeff ($2,000,000 retained)
    3. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
    MTL
      A pick if possible
      NSH
      1. Weal, Jordan
      MTL
        A pick if possible
        NYI
        1. Cousins, Nick
        Buyouts
        • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
        Retained Salary Transactions
        • Tomas Tatar: $800,000 (16.67%)
        • Jeff Petry: $2,000,000 (36.36%)
        • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
        • Ilya Kovalchuk: $350,000 (50%)
        Buried
        • Keith Kinkaid: $675,000 ($1,750,000)
        • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
        • Dale Weise: $1,275,000 ($2,350,000)
        DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
        2020
        MTL
        EDM
        VGK
        MTL
        PIT
        MTL
        EDM
        MTL
        ANA
        WPG
        MTL
        FLA
        MTL
        CHI
        2021
        MTL
        NJD
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        OTT
        MTL
        2022
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        MTL
        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
        23$81,500,000$78,565,475$0$4,332,500$2,934,525
        Left WingCenterRight Wing
        MTL
        Drouin, Jonathan
        $5,500,000
        LW
        UFA - 4
        MTL
        Danault, Phillip
        $3,083,333
        C
        UFA - 2
        MTL
        Gallagher, Brendan
        $3,750,000
        RW
        UFA - 2
        MTL
        Lehkonen, Artturi
        $2,400,000
        LW, RW
        RFA - 2
        MTL
        Domi, Max
        $3,150,000
        C, LW
        UFA - 1
        MTL
        Suzuki, Nick
        $863,333
        C, RW
        RFA - 3
        MTL
        Byron, Paul
        $3,400,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 4
        MTL
        Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
        $925,000
        C, LW
        RFA - 2
        MTL
        Poehling, Ryan
        $925,000
        C, LW
        RFA - 2
        VGK
        Carrier, William
        $725,000
        LW
        UFA - 1
        VGK
        Eakin, Cody
        $3,850,000
        C
        UFA - 1
        MTL
        Armia, Joel
        $2,600,000
        RW, LW
        UFA - 2
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        MTL
        Chiarot, Ben
        $3,500,000
        LD
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        MTL
        Weber, Shea
        $7,857,143
        RD
        UFA - 7
        MTL
        Price, Carey
        $10,500,000
        G
        NMC
        UFA - 7
        MTL
        Scandella, Marco
        $2,000,000
        LD
        UFA - 1
        NJD
        Subban, P.K.
        $9,000,000
        RD
        UFA - 3
        MTL
        Lindgren, Charlie
        $750,000
        G
        UFA - 2
        MTL
        Mete, Victor
        $748,333
        LD/RD
        RFA - 1
        MTL
        Fleury, Cale
        $771,666
        RD
        RFA - 2
        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
        MTL
        Kulak, Brett
        $1,850,000
        LD
        UFA - 3
        MTL
        Hudon, Charles
        $800,000
        LW, RW
        RFA - 1
        MTL
        Evans, Jake
        $925,000
        C, RW
        RFA - 1

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        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:14
        #1
        EclipzeEDM
        Joined: Feb 2019
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        Huge overpayment for Tatar. Edmonton declines.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:20
        #2
        Capfriendlyisamazing
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        Vegas thinks you’re nuts
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:20
        #3
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        Thompson -> Future consideration ????????
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:20
        #4
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        Quoting: Eclipze
        Huge overpayment for Tatar. Edmonton declines.

        A huge overpay? I mean the third round pick wouldn’t be needed but for the rest it’s exactly what tatar will cost. Personally i would ask for another prospect then puljujarvi. A big baby who can’t handle professional hockey won’t attract a lot of interest.

        How many players have had more then 45 point last year with edmonton and how many will get to that mark this year??

        You might not want to pay that price but a guys who already have 40 point is worth that kind of package at the deadline. If you are to cheap to pay the price there another that will for sure. If he would be on the market, he’d become instantly the best forward on the market.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:22
        #5
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        Quoting: GMs
        Thompson -> Future consideration ????????


        Thompson will draw interest. A team will offer a late pick, maybe 4th or 5th round.
        GMs liked this.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:23
        #6
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        Quoting: Sebybbqpower
        Thompson will draw interest. A team will offer a late pick, maybe 4th or 5th round.


        I see Thompson as a fit for the Isles, he seems like a player Trotz would like and could offer a 5th or 6th and Ho Sang if wanted.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:27
        #7
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        Quoting: Warrior24
        I see Thompson as a fit for the Isles, he seems like a player Trotz would like and could offer a 5th or 6th and Ho Sang if wanted.


        Yeah this is probably what the habs will received for thompson. A late round pick, but there a few team that will be interested in him, i think that tampa bay would like to land a guy like that since they have a young roster.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:41
        #8
        EclipzeEDM
        Joined: Feb 2019
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        Quoting: Sebybbqpower
        A huge overpay? I mean the third round pick wouldn’t be needed but for the rest it’s exactly what tatar will cost. Personally i would ask for another prospect then puljujarvi. A big baby who can’t handle professional hockey won’t attract a lot of interest.

        How many players have had more then 45 point last year with edmonton and how many will get to that mark this year??

        You might not want to pay that price but a guys who already have 40 point is worth that kind of package at the deadline. If you are to cheap to pay the price there another that will for sure. If he would be on the market, he’d become instantly the best forward on the market.


        McDavid on pace for 126, Draisaitl 125, RNH 61, Kassian 52, Neal and Klefbom 47 and Yamamoto 5 in 7 a pace for 59 over 82 games. If we’re trading our 1st and JP it’s for a player with 3+ years left or someone who will be an RFA when their contract ends. Holland already said he wants a young player to help the team long term.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 4:43
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        Quoting: Eclipze
        McDavid on pace for 126, Draisaitl 125, RNH 61, Kassian 52, Neal and Klefbom 47 and Yamamoto 5 in 7 a pace for 59 over 82 games. If we’re trading our 1st and JP it’s for a player with 3+ years left or someone who will be an RFA when their contract ends. Holland already said he wants a young player to help the team long term.


        Have you reading issues??
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:03
        #10
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        Quoting: Eclipze
        McDavid on pace for 126, Draisaitl 125, RNH 61, Kassian 52, Neal and Klefbom 47 and Yamamoto 5 in 7 a pace for 59 over 82 games. If we’re trading our 1st and JP it’s for a player with 3+ years left or someone who will be an RFA when their contract ends. Holland already said he wants a young player to help the team long term.


        At 4mil for this year and next year, that package will draw attention from others team. Pool party don't take ammunition away from the team to go further in the playoff this year. JP don't have a higher value now than 4 months ago, change him for something else if needed, but I think it's a cheaper price right. Otherwise EDM would have trying to keep him close to the team or in the team

        In the playoff or prior, if McDavid or Draisaitl get injured, it reduce greatly the team to produce offence. Most players on that team benefits from those two guys.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:04
        #11
        EclipzeEDM
        Joined: Feb 2019
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        Quoting: ericdufour
        At 4mil for this year and next year, that package will draw attention from others team. Pool party don't take ammunition away from the team to go further in the playoff this year. JP don't have a higher value now than 4 months ago, change him for something else if needed, but I think it's a cheaper price right. Otherwise EDM would have trying to keep him close to the team or in the team

        In the playoff or prior, if McDavid or Draisaitl get injured, it reduce greatly the team to produce offence. Most players on that team benefits from those two guys.


        If his value is so low and Tatar is worth so much then go trade for someone else.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:04
        #12
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        Quoting: Warrior24
        I see Thompson as a fit for the Isles, he seems like a player Trotz would like and could offer a 5th or 6th and Ho Sang if wanted.


        Don't have high expectation of return on a 4th liner of a bottom team, but if it fetch a late pick, why not
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:05
        #13
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        Quoting: Eclipze
        If his value is so low and Tatar is worth so much then go trade for someone else.


        I guess you don't like EDM to be involve in this trade, ok I get it
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:09
        #14
        EclipzeEDM
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        Quoting: ericdufour
        I guess you don't like EDM to be involve in this trade, ok I get it


        I like Tatar. Especially at 4M. But not for JP and a 1st for 1 year of Tatar. Edmonton isn’t that deep and even if we had Tatar we still would need to make another move to get a better 3 C. And with our goalie situation with neither being able to solidify their status as a #1 I wouldn’t mortgage the future just yet.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:14
        #15
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        Quoting: Eclipze
        I like Tatar. Especially at 4M. But not for JP and a 1st for 1 year of Tatar. Edmonton isn’t that deep and even if we had Tatar we still would need to make another move to get a better 3 C. And with our goalie situation with neither being able to solidify their status as a #1 I wouldn’t mortgage the future just yet.


        Tatar will have this year and next year at 4 mil. IF JP is no go for you, who will be a go for you in your prospect pool?
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:28
        #16
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        Quoting: Eclipze
        Huge overpayment for Tatar. Edmonton declines.


        Only if Puljujarvi returns to the NHL and actually develops into a useful player. Neither of those things are good bets.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:30
        #17
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        Quoting: StoneFan
        Vegas thinks you’re nuts


        Eakin seem to be the player that get the most often traded from other Vegas GM team, that why I took that salary to take back. Reaves work too, but then, I would assume Carrier will be staying

        Eakin 3,85 mil / Petry 3.5 mil (2 mil retained). Keep Eakin if you like, but you need a bit of cap relief to accept a trad, current cap is 291k
        2021 2nd and 3rd, it's almost a pick swap, it will be a few position difference, that could equal Kovy value (if he keep his MTL production and commitment )

        For the rest, I just based on Muzzin trade to TOR last year, it seem lower value that Muzzin trade. Similar player with similar stats, I think vegas should not trade prospect at this point as the team higher salary will age at some point.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:32
        #18
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        Quoting: StoneFan
        Vegas thinks you’re nuts


        It's a little heavy in the Habs' favour, but the Knights can certainly spare the two grinders (why Montreal wants them is another question), so it comes down to the picks. Here, it's a little ambitious, but it's probably not "nuts".
        Jan 16, 2020 at 5:33
        #19
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        Dear God, please stop threatening to trade Subban back to Montreal. Please, send locust instead.
        Jan 16, 2020 at 6:08
        #20
        EclipzeEDM
        Joined: Feb 2019
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        Quoting: ericdufour
        Tatar will have this year and next year at 4 mil. IF JP is no go for you, who will be a go for you in your prospect pool?


        Benson is looking like he’s NHL ready and Yamamoto is looking good playing in the top 6. 5 points in 7 games all EV. I’m guessing if they don’t move JP by the TDL Holland would look to move him and maybe a pick for a player of similar age like Connor brown. Someone who can move up and down the lineup if needed.
         
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