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Make Your Offers

Created by: Kotkaniemi15
Initial Creation Date: Jan 11, 2020
Published: Jan 16 at 8:57 pm
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
Give your best offers on any of these players:
(Tatar & Petry probably won’t get traded, but make your best offer)

- Ilya Kovalchuk
- Nate Thompson
- Tomas Tatar
- Jeff Petry
- Marco Scandella
- Keith Kinkaid
- Any Other Depth Players / AHL Players
Buyouts
  • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
Buried
  • Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)
  • Keith Kinkaid: $675,000 ($1,750,000)
  • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
OTT
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,140,475$0$3,907,500$2,359,525
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Kovalchuk, Ilya
$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Domi, Max
$3,150,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 3
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Cousins, Nick
$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 1
MTL
Thompson, Nate
$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Weise, Dale
$2,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Scandella, Marco
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Lindgren, Charlie
$750,000
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Mete, Victor
$748,333
LD
RFA - 1
MTL
Fleury, Cale
$771,666
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 4
MTL
Teasdale, Joël
$763,333
C
RFA - 3
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 2

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Jan 16 at 9:00
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considering kovy's play, and that he makes 750k, he can fetch a 2nd rd pick. tatar can get a 1st a good prospect. petry can get a 1st, 2nd and a very good prospect. thompson can get a 3-4. scandella retained can fetch you a 3rd -4. idk about kinkaid
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Jan 16 at 10:19
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
considering kovy's play, and that he makes 750k, he can fetch a 2nd rd pick. tatar can get a 1st a good prospect. petry can get a 1st, 2nd and a very good prospect. thompson can get a 3-4. scandella retained can fetch you a 3rd -4. idk about kinkaid


I don't see anybody giving up a 1st, 2nd and a very good prospect for a 32yr old who is not even in the top tier category for defensemen. Only a few top tier players in the past 10 years have commanded that kind of return. Petry is good but he's not that good.
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Jan 16 at 10:59
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Quoting: OldTimeHockeyFan
I don't see anybody giving up a 1st, 2nd and a very good prospect for a 32yr old who is not even in the top tier category for defensemen. Only a few top tier players in the past 10 years have commanded that kind of return. Petry is good but he's not that good.


his return will be higher than muzzin. he's on a better contract than muzzin. he's a better defenseman than muzzin. he's also a right shot. he'll fetch what i have proposed
Jan 16 at 11:54
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
his return will be higher than muzzin. he's on a better contract than muzzin. he's a better defenseman than muzzin. he's also a right shot. he'll fetch what i have proposed


He's on a better contract than Muzzin? How do you figure that? Petry is at the same point in his contract as Muzzin was when traded, and Muzzin is two years younger and costs 37.5% less.

He's a better defenseman than Muzzin? How do you figure that? I know that plus-minus can be deceiving, but in this case the evidence is overwhelming. Over seven years and this season, Muzzin is plus 43 and has been minus in only two of those years. In contrast, Petry is minus 115 (over nine and a half seasons) and has been plus only two of those nine years. I'd like to know on what basis or statistics you maintain that Petry is a better defenseman than Muzzin, because I have never heard Petry described as an exceptional defender before.
Jan 17 at 12:14
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
He's on a better contract than Muzzin? How do you figure that? Petry is at the same point in his contract as Muzzin was when traded, and Muzzin is two years younger and costs 37.5% less.

He's a better defenseman than Muzzin? How do you figure that? I know that plus-minus can be deceiving, but in this case the evidence is overwhelming. Over seven years and this season, Muzzin is plus 43 and has been minus in only two of those years. In contrast, Petry is minus 115 (over nine and a half seasons) and has been plus only two of those nine years. I'd like to know on what basis or statistics you maintain that Petry is a better defenseman than Muzzin, because I have never heard Petry described as an exceptional defender before.


Petry is very good and if traded half salary retained (2.75M), he will fetch more than Muzzin that’s not even a question. Last 3 seasons ( including this one ) he's been great
Jan 17 at 9:56
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Nobody will trade for Kinkaid, he's been through waivers unclaimed and hasn't picked up his game since being in the AHL ...

Quoting: OldTimeHockeyFan
I don't see anybody giving up a 1st, 2nd and a very good prospect for a 32yr old who is not even in the top tier category for defensemen. Only a few top tier players in the past 10 years have commanded that kind of return. Petry is good but he's not that good.


To be fair most people are talking (And will be happy) if we're getting an excellent prospect + 2nd or a 1st with a B prospect kind of value. Just as an example: Hague and a 2nd or a 1st and Robertson (Dallas) with a chunk of retained salary obviously. Just stated these guys out of my head based on levels not on probability of a trade accepted. What kind of value do you think your team would pay (I'm guessing you're PIT? Not that you'd need him but just as an example)?
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Jan 17 at 11:45
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
He's on a better contract than Muzzin? How do you figure that? Petry is at the same point in his contract as Muzzin was when traded, and Muzzin is two years younger and costs 37.5% less.

He's a better defenseman than Muzzin? How do you figure that? I know that plus-minus can be deceiving, but in this case the evidence is overwhelming. Over seven years and this season, Muzzin is plus 43 and has been minus in only two of those years. In contrast, Petry is minus 115 (over nine and a half seasons) and has been plus only two of those nine years. I'd like to know on what basis or statistics you maintain that Petry is a better defenseman than Muzzin, because I have never heard Petry described as an exceptional defender before.


yiu can check thier stats head to head on a3z. petry is better than muzzin, defensively and offensively. and by better contract, i meant term and habs retaining a portion

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-defencemen-three-seasons/

https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

jake muzzin is a good nhl D, but his value is lower than Petry, because Petry is better. Friedman in his 31 thoughts podcast and article said that if petry is available, a lot of nhl teams would want him. he's the ideal 2nd pairing defenseman. he'll cost you a 1st, 2nd and a very good prospect. as of now, it looks as if LA wins that trade by a mile in the long run. esp considering the playoff "success" the leafs have had
Jan 17 at 1:55
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
. . . by better contract, i meant term and habs retaining a portion


I don't understand why you keep saying this. They are at exactly the same point in their contracts when the prospective trades occur, so the term is exactly the same, and if the Habs are retaining a portion of Petry's contract, then by definition it isn't as "good" to the receiving team without that condition (unspoken in the Team Explanation or premise of these discussions).
Jan 17 at 1:58
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I don't understand why you keep saying this. They are at exactly the same point in their contracts when the prospective trades occur, so the term is exactly the same, and if the Habs are retaining a portion of Petry's contract, then by definition it isn't as "good" to the receiving team without that condition (unspoken in the Team Explanation or premise of these discussions).


yes, but ones value is higher than the others. so i dont understand your confusion
Jan 17 at 2:01
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Are you aware that this opinion piece was written about the 2016, 2017 and 2018 seasons?
Jan 17 at 2:01
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Are you aware that this opinion piece was written about the 2016, 2017 and 2018 seasons?


well aware. i posted it
Jan 17 at 2:03
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
yes, but ones value is higher than the others. so i dont understand your confusion


This is a completely meaningless sentence in English. By what standard is "one's value higher than the other's" mean that the contract is better for the receiving team?!?!?
Jan 17 at 2:03
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
well aware. i posted it


So what does that have to do with the current season, two years later?!??! This opinion (not statistics) has P. K. Subban as the third best defenseman in the league. Are you seriously suggesting that this evaluation still holds?!?!??
Jan 17 at 2:14
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
So what does that have to do with the current season, two years later?!??! This opinion (not statistics) has P. K. Subban as the third best defenseman in the league. Are you seriously suggesting that this evaluation still holds?!?!??

i also posted a3z charts with the latest data, proving that petry is better. are you ignoring that aswell?
Jan 17 at 2:15
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
This is a completely meaningless sentence in English. By what standard is "one's value higher than the other's" mean that the contract is better for the receiving team?!?!?


if you know how to read, you would have read my original post. He is better offensively, defensively, contract, term and is a right shot. thats how his value is higher.
Jan 17 at 2:17
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
if you know how to read, you would have read my original post. He is better offensively, defensively, contract, term and is a right shot. thats how his value is higher.


I love the fact that you think that your saying it makes it true. I wish I could be so smugly self-assured. There is no point in talking to you further.
Jan 17 at 2:18
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I love the fact that you think that your saying it makes it true. I wish I could be so smugly self-assured. There is no point in talking to you further.


can you prove to me other wise? you want me to post the the 31 thoughts article that confirms that petry's value is higher than muzzins?
Jan 17 at 2:22
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Quoting: OldTimeHockeyFan
I don't see anybody giving up a 1st, 2nd and a very good prospect for a 32yr old who is not even in the top tier category for defensemen. Only a few top tier players in the past 10 years have commanded that kind of return. Petry is good but he's not that good.


While I agree, with top end defensemen like Rielly and Hamilton being out long term, Petry is prime to be overpaid for.
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Jan 17 at 2:27
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Quoting: HabsForEver
While I agree, with top end defensemen like Rielly and Hamilton being out long term, Petry is prime to be overpaid for.


Quite possibly true. But our point is that this is an overpay, not his true value.
Jan 17 at 2:29
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Quite possibly true. But our point is that this is an overpay, not his true value.


If we are talking about a trade, I see it being an overpay or nothing. If we are talking about True Value, that's a different story.
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Jan 17 at 2:39
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Quoting: HabsForEver
If we are talking about a trade, I see it being an overpay or nothing.


Yes, because an additional element no one has mentioned is that Petry's contract expires with the expansion draft, so he won't have to be protected (unless his team extends him in 2021). That means that Montreal has less incentive to trade him, and Petry's trade value is increased if Montreal wants to trade him. Nevertheless, I doubt that the overpay will extend to a first, a second and a good prospect; that's as much as Taylor Hall got earlier in the season.
Jan 17 at 2:47
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Yes, because an additional element no one has mentioned is that Petry's contract expires with the expansion draft, so he won't have to be protected (unless his team extends him in 2021). That means that Montreal has less incentive to trade him, and Petry's trade value is increased if Montreal wants to trade him. Nevertheless, I doubt that the overpay will extend to a first, a second and a good prospect; that's as much as Taylor Hall got earlier in the season.


Hall was/is a UFA and didn't come with new contract, you have to overpay if you want to keep him. Petry still has 2 years left and is cheap.

Also, Hall got a 1st, a conditional 1st, and two good looking prospects. It's not the same value.
Jan 17 at 2:53
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Hall was/is a UFA and didn't come with new contract, you have to overpay if you want to keep him. Petry still has 2 years left and is cheap.

Also, Hall got a 1st, a conditional 1st, and two good looking prospects. It's not the same value.


Petry's contract expires after next season, so it doesn't have 2 years left, and the "conditional 1st" doesn't apply to Petry because one of the conditions is a new contract, but your points are well taken. My "as much as" was inaccurate. I was still annoyed at my exchange with someone else that I wrote in haste; this shows us all that cooler heads make better comments.
Jan 17 at 2:56
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Petry's contract expires after next season, so it doesn't have 2 years left, and the "conditional 1st" doesn't apply to Petry because one of the conditions is a new contract, but your points are well taken. My "as much as" was inaccurate. I was still annoyed at my exchange with someone else that I wrote in haste; this shows us all that cooler heads make better comments.


You have 2 playoff runs left, which is what teams would want. I don't think you would trade for Petry if you only wanted him to make it to the Playoffs, he's a guy who will fill in for an injured player or "Stopgap" until they come back and help the team make a deep run in the playoffs.
Jan 17 at 3:17
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Quoting: ColonelX
Nobody will trade for Kinkaid, he's been through waivers unclaimed and hasn't picked up his game since being in the AHL ...



To be fair most people are talking (And will be happy) if we're getting an excellent prospect + 2nd or a 1st with a B prospect kind of value. Just as an example: Hague and a 2nd or a 1st and Robertson (Dallas) with a chunk of retained salary obviously. Just stated these guys out of my head based on levels not on probability of a trade accepted. What kind of value do you think your team would pay (I'm guessing you're PIT? Not that you'd need him but just as an example)?


Quoting: ColonelX
Nobody will trade for Kinkaid, he's been through waivers unclaimed and hasn't picked up his game since being in the AHL ...



To be fair most people are talking (And will be happy) if we're getting an excellent prospect + 2nd or a 1st with a B prospect kind of value. Just as an example: Hague and a 2nd or a 1st and Robertson (Dallas) with a chunk of retained salary obviously. Just stated these guys out of my head based on levels not on probability of a trade accepted. What kind of value do you think your team would pay (I'm guessing you're PIT? Not that you'd need him but just as an example)?


It would honestly depend. Pgh isn't in the need for a right handed dman but if they were, considering right handers are more sought after, both teams are in the same Conference and what the opposing teams needs are, it's hard to determine honestly. I just think no team would trade what that other guy proposed. Why would you give up so much for middling defender at his age and salary? I'm sure a contending team isn't in need to replace their top 4 dmen and if he's being brought in as extra assurance for a playoff run, there are less taxing options available on trade deadline day. To answer your question, I would offer Shultz and possibly a mid tier player such as Blandisi or some other prospect type of player that has been up and down the organization for Petry and the pick is just because he has another year on that contract. MTL would be able to shed 5.5m in salary for free agency as Shultz is a pending UFA.
 
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