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The Big Buf conundrum

Created by: masterjuddi
Initial Creation Date: Jan 17, 2020
Published: Jan 17, 2020 at 10:36
Team: 2019-20 Winnipeg Jets
Team Explanation
Basically this is a hypotheical, where the jets find out before the deadline that Buf is not coming back (this season or next)and they are allowed to spend his cap space. Who could/should they target with the 7.6 mill space.
Thoughts? Ideas?
please remember this is just a hypothecial trade idea(s) to start a debate haha
Trades
WPG
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
BUF
  1. Vesalainen, Kristian
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Subban, P.K.
Additional Details:
2 million retained
NJD
  1. McKenzie, Skyler
  2. Stanley, Logan
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (WPG)
  4. 2022 4th round pick (WPG)
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Patrik Laine: $1,755,000 (26%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2021
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2022
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
29$81,500,000$98,159,522$0$380,000-$16,659,522
Left WingCenterRight Wing
WPG
Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 7
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
UFA - 5
WPG
Wheeler, Blake
$8,250,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 5
WPG
Laine, Patrik
$4,995,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
WPG
Little, Bryan
$5,291,667
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
WPG
Perreault, Mathieu
$4,125,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
WPG
Lowry, Adam
$2,916,666
C
UFA - 2
WPG
Roslovic, Jack
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 1
WPG
Bourque, Gabriel
$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
WPG
Copp, Andrew
$2,280,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
WPG
Appleton, Mason
$741,667
RW, C
RFA - 1
WPG
Harkins, Jansen
$767,500
LW
RFA - 1
WPG
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
WPG
Letestu, Mark
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
WPG
Kulikov, Dmitry
$4,333,333
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Byfuglien, Dustin
$7,600,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
$6,166,666
G
UFA - 5
WPG
Morrissey, Joshua
$3,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
WPG
Pionk, Neal
$3,000,000
RD
RFA - 2
WPG
Brossoit, Laurent
$1,225,000
G
UFA - 1
WPG
Beaulieu, Nathan
$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
WPG
Niku, Sami
$775,000
RD
RFA - 1
WPG
Dahlström, Carl
$850,000
LD
RFA - 2
WPG
Poolman, Tucker
$775,000
RD
UFA - 2
WPG
Sbisa, Luca
$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
WPG
Bitetto, Anthony
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
NJD
Subban, P.K.
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 3

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Jan 17, 2020 at 10:40
#1
Subbanator
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I think PK would come cheaper then that, especially if you're taking his whole cap hit.

They will also likely look at Petry if and when MTL decides to finally sell off.
Jan 17, 2020 at 10:46
#2
Joined: Dec 2019
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Think you would either need to change that 2nd to a 1st or give us a better prospect/player for Risto
Jan 17, 2020 at 10:59
#3
MisstheWhalers
Joined: Jan 2019
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Subban is terrible, wouldn't give a 7th for him.

Not sure about Ristolainen, think he'd cost more then that to get.
Jan 17, 2020 at 11:05
#4
Math and Sports
Joined: May 2018
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With 7.6 mill in cap space it just makes more sense to look at UFA's. I'd rather keep my picks and prospects.
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Jan 17, 2020 at 11:10
#5
Jetsfan
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Get a rental for this year and spend the cap hit on a UFA or 2.
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Jan 17, 2020 at 11:12
#6
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
I think PK would come cheaper then that, especially if you're taking his whole cap hit.

They will also likely look at Petry if and when MTL decides to finally sell off.


It would definitely be a buy low situation and personally I wouldn't want the jets to make this deal. Also, the deal is with 2 mill retained so he comes in at 7
Jan 17, 2020 at 11:12
#7
Thread Starter
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Quoting: TheCelt
With 7.6 mill in cap space it just makes more sense to look at UFA's. I'd rather keep my picks and prospects.


For next year for sure, but what about this year? just ride it out?
Jan 17, 2020 at 11:17
#8
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 7,101
Likes: 2,713
Yeah rent a guy cheap and spend the cash in the off aeason for a solid D at a reasonable price. Scandella , Edmonson, that kinda guy
Jan 17, 2020 at 11:21
#9
Jetsfan
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Quoting: Jfstompers
Yeah rent a guy cheap and spend the cash in the off aeason for a solid D at a reasonable price. Scandella , Edmonson, that kinda guy


If its a rental, Vatanen is the guy...a decent RD and pretty much the only UFA RD that is on a losing team.
Jan 17, 2020 at 11:35
#10
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Quoting: Jetman
If its a rental, Vatanen is the guy...a decent RD and pretty much the only UFA RD that is on a losing team.


what would he cost? or what should the jets give up for him? If im Chevvy Im not giving up a 1st for a rental, but the jets still have a strong prospect pool
Jan 17, 2020 at 11:56
#11
Jetsfan
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Quoting: masterjuddi
what would he cost? or what should the jets give up for him? If im Chevvy Im not giving up a 1st for a rental, but the jets still have a strong prospect pool


a prospect and a 2nd...If they think Stanley is expendable, him...
Jan 23, 2020 at 4:03
#12
Math and Sports
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 649
Likes: 162
Quoting: masterjuddi
For next year for sure, but what about this year? just ride it out?


I think if you're saying absolutely anything about this year, it needs to be predicated on whether you actually think the Jets are serious contenders.

And the answer is no. Pionk, Poolman, and Morrissey are the only defensemen who belong in the NHL, and Poolman is not a top pairing defenseman. Niku does too in that he deserves and probably needs the experience to grow, but his play is not significantly affecting the Jets' defensive prowess.

Riding it out is far and away the best option. Laine, Roslovic, Poolman, Pionk have all made strides this season.
Next season Kulikov is off the books. Give Laine a 4M raise and sign him long term, trim the fat off of the roster and use the money to extend the other kids. Wait for Buff to make a decision about his future and then go sign a UFA if Buff leaves.
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