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Avs get a star LW in Meier and Sabres get their Couture as Sharks Rebuild

Created by: CheechYou
Initial Creation Date: Jan 17, 2020
Published: Jan 17 at 4:32 pm
Team: 2019-20 San Jose Sharks
Trades
SJS
  1. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
CGY
  1. Karlsson, Melker
SJS
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Dillon, Brenden ($1,635,000 retained)
  2. Dell, Aaron ($950,000 retained)
  3. Heed, Tim
SJS
  1. Bowers, Shane
  2. Henry, Nicholas
  3. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Meier, Timo
SJS
  1. Bogosian, Zach
  2. Rodrigues, Evan
  3. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
(Both contracts are pending UFAs and basically valueless. It's included just to make the cap work for this season.)
BUF
  1. Couture, Logan
Buyouts
  • Paul Martin: $1,416,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Brenden Dillon: $1,635,000 (100%)
  • Aaron Dell: $950,000 (50%)
  • Brenden Dillon: $1,635,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
COL
BUF
SJS
TOR
PHI
SJS
SJS
OTT
PIT
WSH
2021
SJS
BUF
TOR
COL
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
2022
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$77,088,607$660,750$212,500$4,411,393
Left WingCenterRight Wing
SJS
Kane, Evander
$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
$5,625,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
SJS
Labanc, Kevin
$1,000,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
SJS
Marleau, Patrick
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
SJS
Suomela, Antti
$700,000
C
RFA - 1
BUF
Rodrigues, Evan
$2,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
SJS
Sörensen, Marcus
$1,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
SJS
Thornton, Joe
$2,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
SJS
Goodrow, Barclay
$925,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
SJS
Radil, Lukas
$700,000
LW
UFA - 1
SJS
Kellman, Joel
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
SJS
Noesen, Stefan
$700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
$7,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
$11,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 8
SJS
Jones, Martin
$5,750,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
SJS
Simek, Radim
$675,000
LD
UFA - 1
SJS
Burns, Brent
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Korenar, Josef
$723,333
G
RFA - 2
SJS
Ferraro, Mario
$925,000
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
SJS
Prout, Dalton
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
SJS
Brodzinski, Jonny
$700,000
C
UFA - 1
BUF
Bogosian, Zach
$5,142,857
RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Bogosian, Zach
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jan 17 at 4:34
#1
get off my lawn...
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Two firsts is a bit steep. Couture is good but his contract is not.
Jan 17 at 4:34
#2
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you have my attention
Jan 17 at 4:39
#3
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Avs should accept that one. Interesting trade.

Toronto wins that trade and should accept it. But I think Buffalo would decline. They don't look like a playoff team, and that Couture contract (especially term) doesn't look good. Wouldn't trade two 1st's for that if there's a chance you don't make the playoffs
Jan 17 at 4:41
#4
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Dont like the Meier or Couture trades. Would need a top prospect coming back for either of them and not just picks
Jan 17 at 4:46
#5
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Quoting: WellIDK
Avs should accept that one. Interesting trade.

Toronto wins that trade and should accept it. But I think Buffalo would decline. They don't look like a playoff team, and that Couture contract (especially term) doesn't look good. Wouldn't trade two 1st's for that if there's a chance you don't make the playoffs


2, 2nds and Ceci for a small upgrade over Ceci who can't play Right side a backup that may or may not be better than Hutchinson and Heed who is a nobody. Is not a win. That is a big fat loss.

Also that Avs trade is bad. Meier seems like a 60 point winger, which is very good no doubt, however, he's getting 10 million on his next contract, or at the very least will get that for 1 year and walk himself to FA. Terrible contract.
Jan 17 at 4:47
#6
Shibbal18
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Doubt Botterill will spend a first, they only have 1 each year
Jan 17 at 4:48
#7
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Quoting: papishark
Dont like the Meier or Couture trades. Would need a top prospect coming back for either of them and not just picks


On the Meier deal, I'd easily substitute that 1st and Henry+Bowers for Byrum, but don't think Avs accept.
Jan 17 at 4:50
#8
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Quoting: CheechYou
On the Meier deal, I'd easily substitute that 1st and Henry+Bowers for Byrum, but don't think Avs accept.


I dont think we really need Byram, but Newhook would be an interest
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Jan 17 at 4:52
#9
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Quoting: WellIDK
Avs should accept that one. Interesting trade.

Toronto wins that trade and should accept it. But I think Buffalo would decline. They don't look like a playoff team, and that Couture contract (especially term) doesn't look good. Wouldn't trade two 1st's for that if there's a chance you don't make the playoffs


Interesting you (and others) mention the term on Couture's contract. Around the Sharks the consensus is that his contract's a steal in that Cooch took a hometown discount with his signing.

He's as smart a player as they come as far as 2-way players go. Keep in mind he's spent most of his career learning from Jumbo and Patty in how they take care of their bodies too. But at the end of the day he won't be worth his contract at 36, but you have to give a little extra for later if you want value now.
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Jan 17 at 5:00
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Quoting: CheechYou
Interesting you (and others) mention the term on Couture's contract. Around the Sharks the consensus is that his contract's a steal in that Cooch took a hometown discount with his signing.

He's as smart a player as they come as far as 2-way players go. Keep in mind he's spent most of his career learning from Jumbo and Patty in how they take care of their bodies too. But at the end of the day he won't be worth his contract at 36, but you have to give a little extra for later if you want value now.


Well I think the AAV looks good, and for the Sharks (who were, and basically still are in win-now mode) it is a good contract. However, the Sabres aren't a playoff team yet and it might take a couple more years for them before they will be, considering their division. I wouldn't take that Couture trade from their point of view. You're a non-playoff team and as you say: he won't be worth his contract during the final few years. But if you won't take advantage of the upcoming years, there are just a few good years left. Wouldn't trade a couple firsts for that
Jan 17 at 5:43
#11
Melnyk0ut
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Ottawa says yes.
Jan 17 at 6:12
#12
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Buffalo passes
Jan 17 at 6:22
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Quoting: WellIDK
Well I think the AAV looks good, and for the Sharks (who were, and basically still are in win-now mode) it is a good contract. However, the Sabres aren't a playoff team yet and it might take a couple more years for them before they will be, considering their division. I wouldn't take that Couture trade from their point of view. You're a non-playoff team and as you say: he won't be worth his contract during the final few years. But if you won't take advantage of the upcoming years, there are just a few good years left. Wouldn't trade a couple firsts for that


Hmm makes sense from that perspective. But you really think BUF's a few years away from competing? I honestly had them breaking out at the start of the year. The have a good core with Eichel Ristalainen and Skinner. Add Cooch to that core and it's a matter of adding supporting cast from there on.
Jan 17 at 6:44
#14
Cale 4 Calder
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Thats very tempting. I think the Avs would take it
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Jan 17 at 6:44
#15
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Sabres should keep their two picks...good chance lottery picks even with Couture and spend the 8m elsewhere. Coutures M NTC probably stops any deal anyway.
Jan 17 at 7:00
#16
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Quoting: palhal
Sabres should keep their two picks...good chance lottery picks even with Couture and spend the 8m elsewhere. Coutures M NTC probably stops any deal anyway.


Reason I did BUF for Couture was because of the potential fit there but also Logan's well-known love for the city of Buffalo, so if he waives for anywhere it's there (same with Vlasic and Montreal).
Jan 17 at 7:11
#17
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Avs say yes
Jan 18 at 3:34
#18
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Quoting: CheechYou
Hmm makes sense from that perspective. But you really think BUF's a few years away from competing? I honestly had them breaking out at the start of the year. The have a good core with Eichel Ristalainen and Skinner. Add Cooch to that core and it's a matter of adding supporting cast from there on.


Yeah I do think it will take a few years. I agree about the core, but I think they lack depth and a true #1 goalie. Tampa, Boston and Toronto have more starpower and they have a #1 goalie. Right now, I think Florida is better than Buffalo. Despite their defensive struggles. Anyway, I think their only way into the playoffs is by wildcard. And right now, I doubt this team will win enough games vs potential playoff teams to get the wildcardspot
Jan 18 at 10:37
#19
BiscuitBakesHotTaeks
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You’re not getting close to that return for Couture because of the contract he is on.... it pays him to age 37!
Jan 19 at 4:38
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Quoting: BiscuitBakesandHotTaeks
You’re not getting close to that return for Couture because of the contract he is on.... it pays him to age 37!


Sorry I refuse to let this become a thing -- Couture is NOT on a bad contract. It's not the best contract in the league but it's still great.
Jan 19 at 9:42
#21
BiscuitBakesHotTaeks
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Quoting: CheechYou
Sorry I refuse to let this become a thing -- Couture is NOT on a bad contract. It's not the best contract in the league but it's still great.


That’s why the sharks are in such a terrible spot. Don’t pay players to when they are 37/38....
Jan 20 at 1:33
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Quoting: BiscuitBakesandHotTaeks
That’s why the sharks are in such a terrible spot. Don’t pay players to when they are 37/38....


I'd settle for not paying players till they're 40 at this point with Burns' contract... but Couture's contract's more than okay for the aav even with the term.
 
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