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Toffoli DUH

Created by: KINGS67
Initial Creation Date: Jan 18, 2020
Published: Jan 18 at 1:31 pm
Team: 2019-20 Boston Bruins
Trades
BOS
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
LAK
  1. Backes, David
  2. Lauko, Jakub
  3. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
‘20 1st is a ‘20 2nd if Backes isn’t involved
Buyouts
  • Dennis Seidenberg: $1,166,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Matt Beleskey: $1,900,000 (50%)
  • David Backes: $1,500,000 (25%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2021
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2022
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
27$81,500,000$83,349,999$0$2,565,000-$1,849,999
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
BOS
Krejci, David
$7,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,666
RW
UFA - 4
BOS
Nordström, Joakim
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
BOS
Wagner, Chris
$1,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
BOS
Bjork, Anders
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$3,200,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
$750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
$863,333
LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Heinen, Danton
$2,800,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
LAK
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Lindholm, Pär
$850,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
BOS
Kuraly, Sean
$1,275,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Blidh, Anton
$700,000
LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BOS
Krug, Torey
$5,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
RFA - 3
BOS
Rask, Tuukka
$7,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Moore, John
$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 4
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$2,850,000
RD
RFA - 2
BOS
Halák, Jaroslav
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Chara, Zdeno
$2,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
BOS
Miller, Kevan
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Vladar, Daniel
$728,333
G
RFA - 1
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
BOS
Kampfer, Steven
$800,000
RD
UFA - 2
BOS
Clifton, Connor
$725,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jan 18 at 1:40
#1
First NY Then LA
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Dear Fellow LA Fan: This is too much for our Ty. The going rate is probably a second and a good prospect, so Lauko and one pick is okay. But as shown by the transaction this week, Backes' contract is not the anchor many people assume it is, and getting rid of it isn't that hard for Boston, either now or in the future. I think we would be lucky to get a third for taking on this liability.
Jan 18 at 1:46
#2
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Dear Fellow LA Fan: This is too much for our Ty. The going rate is probably a second and a good prospect, so Lauko and one pick is okay. But as shown by the transaction this week, Backes' contract is not the anchor many people assume it is, and getting rid of it isn't that hard for Boston, either now or in the future. I think we would be lucky to get a third for taking on this liability.

In the description, if Backes isn’t involved, the 1st is
A 2nd... so lauko and a 2nd with NO Backes for Toffoli
Jan 18 at 2:06
#3
NowAvoidingHomework
Joined: Apr 2018
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Quoting: KINGS67
In the description, if Backes isn’t involved, the 1st is
A 2nd... so lauko and a 2nd with NO Backes for Toffoli


Having the 2nd second rounder in there definitely puts Boston in the front running for Toffoli if Backes isn't involved.
Jan 18 at 2:22
#4
Joined: Jan 2017
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Lol, no from Boston. Not this, not 2nd and Lauko either.
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Jan 18 at 2:54
#5
First NY Then LA
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Quoting: KINGS67
In the description, if Backes isn’t involved, the 1st is
A 2nd... so lauko and a 2nd with NO Backes for Toffoli


My point is that if Backes is involved, the picks should be a second and third.
Jan 18 at 3:31
#6
Joined: Jun 2017
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Likes: 1,205
If we discount whatever negative value Backes might have and look at your deal without him, wow you are really overpaying for Toffoli.
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Jan 18 at 3:33
#7
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
If we discount whatever negative value Backes might have and look at your deal without him, wow you are really overpaying for Toffoli.


Created by a Kings fan. Explains it.
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Jan 18 at 3:42
#8
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Likes: 68
Quoting: Gofnut999
Created by a Kings fan. Explains it.

What’s your offer then?? Zboril and a 5th? Toffoli will get a 2nd. will he get lauko probably not. At least I didn’t ask for studnicka... of course I’ll want that as a kings fan. Kings aren’t taking the Czech though. Bust from the start.
Jan 18 at 3:47
#9
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
My point is that if Backes is involved, the picks should be a second and third.


Got it... well apparently a 2nd and a prospect (only that right now) like lauko is overpaying. Fans want Toffoli for dirt cheap. Trying to trade their mistake of a pick like zboril for him.
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Jan 18 at 3:47
#10
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Quoting: KINGS67
What’s your offer then?? Zboril and a 5th? Toffoli will get a 2nd. will he get lauko probably not. At least I didn’t ask for studnicka.


My last offer was Heinen, Axel Anderson, 3rd for TT and Strand with retention on TT.

Others i have made. 2nd this year 3rd next that becomes a 2nd if B’s win cup or re-sign TT. 2nd and Senyshyn was another. Need retention from LA or take salary back or even both.
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Jan 18 at 3:50
#11
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Quoting: KINGS67
Got it... well apparently a 2nd and a prospect (only that right now) like lauko is overpaying. Fans want Toffoli for dirt cheap. Trying to trade their mistake of a pick like zboril for him.


Yeah, there's some pleasurable karma there for us.
Jan 18 at 3:54
#12
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Quoting: Gofnut999
My last offer was Heinen, Axel Anderson, 3rd for TT and Strand with retention on TT.

Others i have made. 2nd this year 3rd next that becomes a 2nd if B’s win cup or re-sign TT. 2nd and Senyshyn was another. Need retention from LA or take salary back or even both.

So your only beef is I added lauko. So it seems. It’s not all of Backes, lauko 1st and 2nd. It’s either 2nd and lauko OR Backes lauko 1st. Obviously it’s not worth trading Backes and the 1st for you and maybe the organization
Jan 18 at 3:57
#13
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Quoting: KINGS67
So your only beef is I added lauko. So it seems. It’s not all of Backes, lauko 1st and 2nd. It’s either 2nd and lauko OR Backes lauko 1st. Obviously it’s not worth trading Backes and the 1st for you and maybe the organization


Not trading 1st, 2nd and quality prospect for a rental. Even if that means moving Backes. Which is not a necessity. And he is unlikely to waive for you anyway.
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Jan 18 at 4:09
#14
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Not trading 1st, 2nd and quality prospect for a rental. Even if that means moving Backes. Which is not a necessity. And he is unlikely to waive for you anyway.


You’re not reading what I said.... it’s EITHER

Lauko and 2nd

OR

Backes, Lauko, and 1st

It’s NOT Backes, lauko, 1st and 2nd
And that’s fine if Backes won’t waive, not a big deal
Jan 18 at 4:14
#15
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Quoting: KINGS67
You’re not reading what I said.... it’s EITHER

Lauko and 2nd

OR

Backes, Lauko, and 1st

It’s NOT Backes, lauko, 1st and 2nd
And that’s fine if Backes won’t waive, not a big deal


It’s still a no from Boston. They have been steadfast in the fact they will not trade a 1st to dump Backes unless there is an asset with term coming back. 2nd and Lauko is a no. I’m not as high on Lauko as most B’s fans are, but it’s a no. There are other options if that’s the cost. ??‍♂️

They can do something similar with Minny for Zucker who has 3 more years and Backes would waive for.
Jan 18 at 4:17
#16
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Quoting: Gofnut999
It’s still a no from Boston. They have been steadfast in the fact they will not trade a 1st to dump Backes unless there is an asset with term coming back. 2nd and Lauko is a no. I’m not as high on Lauko as most B’s fans are, but it’s a no. There are other options if that’s the cost. ??‍♂️

That’s fine... he’ll cost less than Kreider apparently so, he will be the fall back option for the teams that miss out on Kreider. Teams get desperate at TDL. We’ll have to wait and see.
Jan 19 at 6:05
#17
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Quoting: KINGS67
Got it... well apparently a 2nd and a prospect (only that right now) like lauko is overpaying. Fans want Toffoli for dirt cheap. Trying to trade their mistake of a pick like zboril for him.


What makes Zboril a mistake of a pick? He'd be on most NHL rosters right, the problem in Boston is we have 4 LS d-men on ther roster. Zboril is also 1 of 3 top LHD protect we have. It's not easy to get TOI with Boston is your a LHD.
 
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