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Leafs as usual

Created by: Nikolay_Zherdev
Initial Creation Date: Jan 18, 2020
Published: Jan 18 at 8:26 pm
Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers
Trades
NYR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Timashov, Dmytro
TOR
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Tuch, Alex
  2. Krebs, Peyton
  3. Elvenes, Lucas
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (PIT)
VGK
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel
  2. Deangelo, Anthony
  3. Andersson, Lias
  4. Fast, Jesper
NYR
  1. Laferrière, Mathias
  2. Sanford, Zachary
  3. 2020 1st round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Kreider, Chris
  2. McKegg, Greg
  3. Hájek, Libor
NYR
  1. Sutter, Brandon
VAN
  1. Smith, Brendan
Buyouts
  • Dan Girardi: $3,611,111
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,483,333
  • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
  • Brad Richards: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: $750,000 (19%)
Buried
  • Matt Beleskey: $825,000 ($1,900,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NYR
STL
PIT
NYR
DAL
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NSH
VAN
2021
NYR
NYR
NYR
BUF
NYR
OTT
NYR
NYR
NYR
2022
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,773,410$0$7,965,000$2,726,590
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
LW, C
RFA - 2
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
NYR
Kakko, Kaapo
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Strome, Ryan
$3,100,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
VGK
Tuch, Alex
$4,750,000
RW
UFA - 7
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
VAN
Sutter, Brandon
$4,375,000
RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
STL
Sanford, Zachary
$1,500,000
LW
RFA - 2
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Haley, Micheal
$700,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Skjei, Brady
$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
$8,000,000
RD
UFA - 7
NYR
Lundqvist, Henrik
$8,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
$925,000
RD
RFA - 3
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
$925,000
G
RFA - 2
NYR
Staal, Marc
$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Keane, Joey
$809,166
RD
RFA - 3
NYR
Rykov, Yegor
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2

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Jan 18 at 8:27
#1
Jack
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That's way to much for a BACKUP who the rangers HAVE to trade. If they switched kappy for a 3rd the leafs would think about it
Jan 18 at 8:28
#2
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Jaromir_Jagr_the_leg
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Quoting: Jack_
That's way to much for a BACKUP who the rangers HAVE to trade. If they switched kappy for a 3rd the leafs would think about it


... buddy... look at dreger... Kappy might not get him himself. And we don’t HAVE to trade him
Jan 18 at 8:29
#3
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Quoting: Jack_
That's way to much for a BACKUP who the rangers HAVE to trade. If they switched kappy for a 3rd the leafs would think about it


he isn't a backup
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Jan 18 at 8:33
#4
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The solution to this isn't to overpay for a fringe starter
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Jan 18 at 8:35
#5
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Jaromir_Jagr_the_leg
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
The solution to this isn't to overpay for a fringe starter


The solution for your now terrible goalies who can’t stop goals
Jan 18 at 8:36
#6
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
... buddy... look at dreger... Kappy might not get him himself. And we don’t HAVE to trade him


Look at reality. Reports say Leafs want to do Bracco and a pick. Rangers want someone like Kap. Huge gap. Makes unlikely trade partners. Leafs are acquiring him as a backup and want to pay as such. Rangers selling him as a starter. Going to have to meet in the middle or move on. There are other teams.

All these traded favor Rangers heavily BTW.

Something like Deangelo and Georgiev to Vegas for Tuch and another piece, probably a pick makes sense. You are not getting Krebs though.
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Jan 18 at 8:39
#7
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Look at reality. Reports say Leafs want to do Bracco and a pick. Rangers want someone like Kap. Huge gap. Makes unlikely trade partners. Leafs are acquiring him as a backup and want to pay as such. Rangers selling him as a starter. Going to have to meet in the middle or move on. There are other teams.

All these traded favor Rangers heavily BTW.

Something like Deangelo and Georgiev to Vegas for Tuch and another piece, probably a pick makes sense. You are not getting Krebs though.


vegas would give up krebs in a heart beat for deangelo.
Jan 18 at 8:40
#8
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Quoting: gregory_papas
vegas would give up krebs in a heart beat for deangelo.


Hardly, and certainly not while giving up Tuch.
Jan 18 at 8:44
#9
Jack
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Quoting: gregory_papas
he isn't a backup


He isnt a starter so...
Jan 18 at 8:46
#10
Jack
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
... buddy... look at dreger... Kappy might not get him himself. And we don’t HAVE to trade him


What happens next season when he goes into arbitration, gets paid and the rangers who will have lundquist and the better goalie prospect who will be on the team. He will have to go on waivers or be traded
Jan 18 at 8:54
#11
Joined: Apr 2019
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
... buddy... look at dreger... Kappy might not get him himself. And we don’t HAVE to trade him


Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
The solution to this isn't to overpay for a fringe starter


Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
The solution for your now terrible goalies who can’t stop goals


Georgiev doesn't solve anything in TO, no point in overpaying by sending Kap, does solve a thing for TO so they won't be sending Kap, the offer of Bracco and pick won't change if the Rangers had any offer even close to a Kapenen type player for Georgiev they'd of moved him, Rangers do not have to move Georgiev and Leafs do not have to trade for him
Jan 18 at 8:57
#12
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Jaromir_Jagr_the_leg
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Look at reality. Reports say Leafs want to do Bracco and a pick. Rangers want someone like Kap. Huge gap. Makes unlikely trade partners. Leafs are acquiring him as a backup and want to pay as such. Rangers selling him as a starter. Going to have to meet in the middle or move on. There are other teams.

All these traded favor Rangers heavily BTW.

Something like Deangelo and Georgiev to Vegas for Tuch and another piece, probably a pick makes sense. You are not getting Krebs though.


Buch is close enough to Tuch asides from contracts... and deangelo easily gets krebs and something else
Jan 18 at 9:11
#13
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
Buch is close enough to Tuch asides from contracts... and deangelo easily gets krebs and something else


Tuch>Buch
Elevnes>Anderson
2nd>Fast

Leaving Krebs for Tony. Vegas would have to add a pick on that, but Vegas can’t afford to trade away quality center prospect, they are shallow there.

Like I said. Tony and Georgie for Tuch and high pick is fair for both.
Jan 18 at 9:24
#14
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Jaromir_Jagr_the_leg
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Tuch>Buch
Elevnes>Anderson
2nd>Fast

Leaving Krebs for Tony. Vegas would have to add a pick on that, but Vegas can’t afford to trade away quality center prospect, they are shallow there.

Like I said. Tony and Georgie for Tuch and high pick is fair for both.


How are they shallow there.... they have stastny, karlsson, glass, Roy, (Stephenson), Dugan. Tony>Tuch and it’s not close
Jan 18 at 9:33
#15
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Quoting: Jack_
He isnt a starter so...


i guess malkin was never a number 1 center.
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Jan 18 at 9:48
#16
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Edited Jan 18 at 9:54
Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
How are they shallow there.... they have stastny, karlsson, glass, Roy, (Stephenson), Dugan. Tony>Tuch and it’s not close


Statsny is 34 and declining fast. Eakin is UFA, Glass was playing mostly wing this year, he will go back to C when Stats and Eakin are gone. Where they are shallow is center prospects. Krebs is really their only decent one. Dugan played mostly wing his freshman year and Elvenes is a winger.

Tony is small and average at best defensively who was mostly garbage til this year. Having a great year offensively and would certainly help Vegas PP where a 1/3 of his points come from.

I know, 85% of fans are only willing to make trades if their team wins it. Reality however is different.
Jan 18 at 9:53
#17
Jack
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Quoting: gregory_papas
i guess malkin was never a number 1 center.


Was malkin the 3rd best center on the penguins? Georgiev certainly isnt better then lundquist or shesterkin
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Jan 18 at 10:15
#18
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Quoting: Jack_
That's way to much for a BACKUP who the rangers HAVE to trade. If they switched kappy for a 3rd the leafs would think about it


Do you know who Darren Dreger is? Very curious to know if you do.
Jan 18 at 10:17
#19
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Quoting: Jack_
Was malkin the 3rd best center on the penguins? Georgiev certainly isnt better then lundquist or shesterkin


Goes to show that you do not actual pay attention that well. Georgiev is better than Hank right now. Leafs fans are clearly in denial about what this deal would cost them. Kap and a 3rd.
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Jan 18 at 10:20
#20
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Quoting: Bbousa
Goes to show that you do not actual pay attention that well. Georgiev is better than Hank right now. Leafs fans are clearly in denial about what this deal would cost them. Kap and a 3rd.


Just watched the entire CHI/TOR game, wow. Freddie is bad.
Jan 18 at 10:21
#21
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Tuch>Buch
Elevnes>Anderson
2nd>Fast

Leaving Krebs for Tony. Vegas would have to add a pick on that, but Vegas can’t afford to trade away quality center prospect, they are shallow there.

Like I said. Tony and Georgie for Tuch and high pick is fair for both.


The high pick would have a to be a first. Puck moving RHD who are almost a PPG are not cheap.
Jan 18 at 10:23
#22
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Quoting: NYR_Mike
The high pick would have a to be a first. Puck moving RHD who are almost a PPG are not cheap.


Yup, Vegas might even gave to add a mid level prospect as well. But the basis is there.
Jan 18 at 10:26
#23
Old Timer
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Toronto should be trading for a real backup goalie like DeSmith or Dell, giving up only a mid round pick.
The Rangers should be trading Georgiev to a team looking for a young goalie who could be their starter. And more likely that will be at the draft.
Jan 18 at 10:27
#24
Jack
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Quoting: Bbousa
Goes to show that you do not actual pay attention that well. Georgiev is better than Hank right now. Leafs fans are clearly in denial about what this deal would cost them. Kap and a 3rd.


Lmao
Jan 18 at 10:28
#25
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Yup, Vegas might even gave to add a mid level prospect as well. But the basis is there.


Agreed, good point. Only disagreement i have is your assessment of 2nd > Fast. Might be a agree to disagree situation, but someone like Brian Boyle netted a 2nd during the TDL. As a NYR fan who has watched both of these players Fast is worth the 2nd given that Boyle netted one.
 
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