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If out of the playoffs by the deadline

Created by: In_it_to_winnik
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 19, 2020
Published: Jan. 19, 2020
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We have to have a serious conversation about this team not making the playoffs. In their division they have boston who keeps rolling, tampa who does not slow down, and florida who are already tied with them along with games in hand. In the wildcard, toronto has to battle with Philly,Carolina, and Columbus. There's still a chance, but it's no guarantee. If they are not in the playoffs by the deadline, the players that are available are:
Tyson Barrie
Jake muzzin (if he does not want to resign)
Cody Ceci
Jason Spezza
If an offer was really good then potentially Kapanen/Kerfoot/Johnsson

Again I still believe that toronto will make the playoffs however, we have to be honest and prepared for that not to happen.

Just a few trade ideas I had are
Barrie at 50%, Spezza to carolina for their 1st back. With Dougie down for probably the season, they need another guy in the top 4/pp guy. Along with spezza who is having an excellent season I feel is enough to entice carolina to deal the first would be anywhere between 11th-15th.

Ceci at 50% to Winnipeg for a low draft pick. Ceci has been much better on the 3rd pair. He is better than some of Winnipegs dmen. This would be a very low risk.

The philly deal is probably weird, but with lindblom and patrik probably out for the season they need another forward. I really like Myers, and I feel like he would be an excellent addition.

I feel like muzzin will resign (something around 5-6mill for 5 years) but if not, something around a 1st would work.
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  1. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
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  1. Barrie, Tyson ($1,375,000 retained)
  2. Spezza, Jason
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  1. 2021 5th round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Ceci, Cody ($2,250,000 retained)
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Decent 3rd pair guy
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 9:33 a.m.
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If they miss the playoffs with that team, one of their big guns is getting moved.
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 9:35 a.m.
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I like where you are going. But I would rather trade Johnsson than Kapanen. I think the Leafs are way deeper on the left side and Kapanen is solid on the PK. I think Johnsson is a very good player, but they would probably have to give up a bit more for Myers.
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:13 a.m.
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That's the big overpayment by Carolina. Barrie could be the worse Leaf Dman this season. He hasn't been a good on the PP and a top 4 Dman should at least be able to play at least moderately good defence.
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:26 a.m.
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Quoting: Josh
If they miss the playoffs with that team, one of their big guns is getting moved.


Honestly I can't see that happening. The salary cap has forced teams to not make major moves to change their teams even if they need to.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:28 a.m.
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It's like some Leaf fans just want them to fail.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:30 a.m.
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That's the big overpayment by Carolina. Barrie could be the worse Leaf Dman this season. He hasn't been a good on the PP and a top 4 Dman should at least be able to play at least moderately good defence.


I dont think so. Just because it hasn't necessarily worked out well in toronto doesnt mean that Barrie is no longer good. He is a serviceable top 4 guy, and OP guy. This has been true for the majority of his career and I would rather go off of that sample size than half a season in toronto. With Hamilton going down, barrie is a cheap short term replacement with spezza in there to fill out a bottom 6, that is a very good deal for a draft pick out of the top 10.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:32 a.m.
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It's like some Leaf fans just want them to fail.


I never said that. In fact I said that I believe that they will make the playoffs. This is just in the scenario where they dont make it. You have to have a plan for that situation even if it doesn't happen.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:33 a.m.
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I would suspect that Plan B would involve addressing the teams overall blueline depth. Loosing a Muzzin and Reilly type simultaneously would do in a number of teams, BUT, with a mount of fire power up front, should stay in the hunt.

Improved organizational depth we may not be having this discussion.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
I like where you are going. But I would rather trade Johnsson than Kapanen. I think the Leafs are way deeper on the left side and Kapanen is solid on the PK. I think Johnsson is a very good player, but they would probably have to give up a bit more for Myers.


I would to, but kapanen has more value, and I dont believe that philly would settle for anything less than kappy as the main part of a deal. Plus with engvall, moore and mikheyev they have alot of players that can play RW and pk
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.
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I dont think so. Just because it hasn't necessarily worked out well in toronto doesnt mean that Barrie is no longer good. He is a serviceable top 4 guy, and OP guy. This has been true for the majority of his career and I would rather go off of that sample size than half a season in toronto. With Hamilton going down, barrie is a cheap short term replacement with spezza in there to fill out a bottom 6, that is a very good deal for a draft pick out of the top 10.


I agree 100% with your assessment of Barrie. I wouldn't include Spezza though. Let him finish out his career as a Leaf. Include Timashov maybe instead.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:41 a.m.
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I would suspect that Plan B would involve addressing the teams overall blueline depth. Loosing a Muzzin and Reilly type simultaneously would do in a number of teams, BUT, with a mount of fire power up front, should stay in the hunt.

Improved organizational depth we may not be having this discussion.


Yeah I agree with all of that. Yes muzzin and reilly are out, but if your solution to that is bringing up marincin and Sandin(I like him but hes only 19) to play big minutes to you are in trouble. I hate to have this conversation, but there's no guarantee that they make the playoffs even when muzzin comes back with how competitive there conference is.
Thanks for the good reply
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:45 a.m.
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I agree 100% with your assessment of Barrie. I wouldn't include Spezza though. Let him finish out his career as a Leaf. Include Timashov maybe instead.


Yeah, I just have so much respect for spezza, and if he wanted to get 1 more run at a cup I would give him the opportunity in a heartbeat
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:49 a.m.
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I never said that. In fact I said that I believe that they will make the playoffs. This is just in the scenario where they dont make it. You have to have a plan for that situation even if it doesn't happen.


I just think doubt is bad energy. Florida is on a heater, as is Columbus and The Lightning. I think it's as likely that TO goes on a long great stretch as it is for one or all of those teams to fall back down or earth.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 10:56 a.m.
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If Toronto are selling off at the deadline, why would Carolina give the first rounder back?
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:01 a.m.
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Yeah I agree with all of that. Yes muzzin and reilly are out, but if your solution to that is bringing up marincin and Sandin(I like him but hes only 19) to play big minutes to you are in trouble. I hate to have this conversation, but there's no guarantee that they make the playoffs even when muzzin comes back with how competitive there conference is.
Thanks for the good reply


Absolutely!!! I think this time of extreme adveristy has truly highlighted the weakness of this ORGANIZATION as a whole. After Sandin and Liligren there is..... Hallowell? And he is a couple years away imo. Yet up front there is a laundry list we can go thru. Deadline needs to address that as FA will not.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.
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If Toronto are selling off at the deadline, why would Carolina give the first rounder back?


To get very good value
Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:50 a.m.
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To get very good value


11th overall > 2 months of Barrie and Kapanen even wioth 3 years
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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11th overall > 2 months of Barrie and Kapanen even wioth 3 years


11th overall should be the best case scenario realistically it would be 15th.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:04 p.m.
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I think making a decision with such far-reaching ramifications at the trade deadline is utterly premature. Who gets into the playoffs may not be clear until the last two weeks of the season. Toronto and Leafs Nation just has to ride this out. The only possible move that makes sense to me is acquiring Myers (or a similar type), not just for this season but for the future.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
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11th overall should be the best case scenario realistically it would be 15th.


Erm.... no. That would imply they finish above Columbus/Philidelphia/Carolina/Buffalo/Montreal/Rangers whatever, and the teams out west. That by no means is likely. It'll probably be 10-14 if they sell off
Jan. 19, 2020 at 2:00 p.m.
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It might be the best thing for the franchise to not make the playoffs. I say this cause when Shanahan took over he stated there was a five plan to make the franchise a cup contender. It seems like the Leafs were finally going to do it right. Cleaning up the front office, and install great hockey minds with the reputation of success. Gutting the team and building from the draft.

However the plan got sidetracked in the second year (Matthews’s rookie season) when the Leafs made the playoffs and threw a scare into the Capitals, bowing out in 6 games. All of a sudden, the expectations skyrocketed. The Leafs had lost to the Capitals, did nothing in advancing in the postseason, and yet, everybody believed this club was destined the win the cup. As I see it, the Leafs haven’t won a playoff round, probably the hardest thing to do, and haven’t earn that rite to be thought of as a cup contender.

In the regular season, a player can have record stats, a team can post record team stats, but it does not mean a thing come the playoffs. What wins championships are the 20 guys focused on being the best and the willingness to do whatever it must take: block a shots, win a loose puck battles, offer puck support (puck management) not taking a selfish penalty, make a great saves, scoring at an opportune time.

Since 2007-08, Only Detroit and Chicago, have won the President and then won the Stanley Cup. The last time a player won the Art Ross and Stanley Cup was 2004 (Martin St.Louis).

Regular season league ranking of the Stanley Cup Champs.

2019 St.Louis 10th Seed, 2018 Washington 7th seed, 2017 Pittsburgh 2nd seed, 2016 Pittsburgh 4th seed, 2015 Chicago 7th seed, 2014 Los Angeles 9th

It is the fear of losing which makes teams win championships. It is the lessons (heartbreaks) of losing which helps define greatness. It happen with the Oilers 1982. Upset by the Los Angeles, and two years later on the way to their 1st championship, being force to win a game 7 against their rival Calgary Flames. It happen to the Red Wings. Two first round game 7 exits in 93 & 94. The same can be held true with the Penguins this past decade. Three first round exits in 2011, ‘12 & ‘15.

I think the Leafs are too talented to miss the playoffs.
 
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