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Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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Minnesota won't trade Dumba without getting either a 2020 first or William Nylander back, and this trade has neither.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:39 a.m.
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I still don’t know why leafs fans value a 2nd line winger, a crap D and a player that has zero nhl time for a legit 1st pair D. This trade is everywhere and I don’t see the value here. IMO
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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I still don’t know why leafs fans value a 2nd line winger, a crap D and a player that has zero nhl time for a legit 1st pair D. This trade is everywhere and I don’t see the value here. IMO


Then you might want to readjust your sights
Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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I still don’t know why leafs fans value a 2nd line winger, a crap D and a player that has zero nhl time for a legit 1st pair D. This trade is everywhere and I don’t see the value here. IMO


Because someone reporting Guerin is looking to make moves and might be willing to part with Dumba suddenly translates to the Wild will dump him for whatever,
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.
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Then you might want to readjust your sights


I might have to or leafs fans might have to adjust all of theirs. As the trade hasn’t happened even though they are desperate for a good D
Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:47 a.m.
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I still don’t know why leafs fans value a 2nd line winger, a crap D and a player that has zero nhl time for a legit 1st pair D. This trade is everywhere and I don’t see the value here. IMO


Nothing about Dumba screams "legit 1st pair Dman" Dumba Broke 50 pts once averages 30 pts and is ok defensively how does any of that suggest legit 1st pair
Jan. 19, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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Nothing about Dumba screams "legit 1st pair Dman" Dumba Broke 50 pts once averages 30 pts and is ok defensively how does any of that suggest legit 1st pair

Sorry are you talking about Morgan Reilly?
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
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Minnesota won't trade Dumba without getting either a 2020 first or William Nylander back, and this trade has neither.


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I still don’t know why leafs fans value a 2nd line winger, a crap D and a player that has zero nhl time for a legit 1st pair D. This trade is everywhere and I don’t see the value here. IMO


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Because someone reporting Guerin is looking to make moves and might be willing to part with Dumba suddenly translates to the Wild will dump him for whatever,


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I might have to or leafs fans might have to adjust all of theirs. As the trade hasn’t happened even though they are desperate for a good D


If I'm putting Nylander on the table for D upgrade I don't even call Minnesota I target actual Top Pair Dmen like Seth Jones, Colton Parayko etc those are Tier 1 defense men - Dumba is a tier 2 defense man Nylander isn't even on the table.
If Minny shops Dumba there will be lots of teams calling none of them are going to offer up a Nylander Quality player for Dumba any 2020 1st offered up will be 20-31 OA which does very little to nothing to improve Minny today - A package involving a young right shot forward with term at great AAV that will produce 45/50 pts (that's at 3rd line minutes) on Minny Kap gets 2nd line minutes it's not even a debate plus a top D prospect plus a forward prospect (that really would be playing in the league if not for insane RW depth in the organization) plus a 2020 3rd is a reasonable to very good package. Again Minnesota has strength on the blue line to deal from and Dumba would be the guy teams are interested in paying for. If an equivalent offer came through from another team I do think the Leafs would add a higher pick might be 2021 1st or what have you. But the reality is as much as teams are circling and wanting Nylander right now (a drastic 180 from 12 months ago) Nylander is 22 signed 4 more seasons and is a highly productive Top 4 forward - IMO if Minny targets Nylander they'd be sending Dumba + to get any sort of conversation going.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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Sorry are you talking about Morgan Reilly?


Nope I'm not, Rielly's number are far superior to Dumba's to date. Look I'm not crapping on Dumba, I'm crapping on the idea that Dumba is a top pairing Dman nothing about his performance suggests he's a 1/2 Dman his performance suggests he's 3/4 Dman
Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.
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If I'm putting Nylander on the table for D upgrade I don't even call Minnesota I target actual Top Pair Dmen like Seth Jones, Colton Parayko etc those are Tier 1 defense men - Dumba is a tier 2 defense man Nylander isn't even on the table.
If Minny shops Dumba there will be lots of teams calling none of them are going to offer up a Nylander Quality player for Dumba any 2020 1st offered up will be 20-31 OA which does very little to nothing to improve Minny today - A package involving a young right shot forward with term at great AAV that will produce 45/50 pts (that's at 3rd line minutes) on Minny Kap gets 2nd line minutes it's not even a debate plus a top D prospect plus a forward prospect (that really would be playing in the league if not for insane RW depth in the organization) plus a 2020 3rd is a reasonable to very good package. Again Minnesota has strength on the blue line to deal from and Dumba would be the guy teams are interested in paying for. If an equivalent offer came through from another team I do think the Leafs would add a higher pick might be 2021 1st or what have you. But the reality is as much as teams are circling and wanting Nylander right now (a drastic 180 from 12 months ago) Nylander is 22 signed 4 more seasons and is a highly productive Top 4 forward - IMO if Minny targets Nylander they'd be sending Dumba + to get any sort of conversation going.


Sandin is the top D prospect for the leafs, not Liljegren. If I am Minnie that is who I want if I am not getting Nylander, Blue Jackets cant have any reason to trade Jones, so that narrows things down. Dumba is Rielly, no difference. Rielly is a top pair D man as is Dumba, they will have to pay and to also take the cap dump Ceci also makes them have to pay. Leafs should just be patient for 2 more years and let the process unfold and they can have a Leafs Oilers final.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.
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Nope I'm not, Rielly's number are far superior to Dumba's to date. Look I'm not crapping on Dumba, I'm crapping on the idea that Dumba is a top pairing Dman nothing about his performance suggests he's a 1/2 Dman his performance suggests he's 3/4 Dman


Numbers tell lies based on the team. Look at leafs forwards and look at Wilds forwards, no way Dumba is a 3/4 Dman
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
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If I'm putting Nylander on the table for D upgrade I don't even call Minnesota I target actual Top Pair Dmen like Seth Jones, Colton Parayko etc those are Tier 1 defense men - Dumba is a tier 2 defense man Nylander isn't even on the table.
If Minny shops Dumba there will be lots of teams calling none of them are going to offer up a Nylander Quality player for Dumba any 2020 1st offered up will be 20-31 OA which does very little to nothing to improve Minny today - A package involving a young right shot forward with term at great AAV that will produce 45/50 pts (that's at 3rd line minutes) on Minny Kap gets 2nd line minutes it's not even a debate plus a top D prospect plus a forward prospect (that really would be playing in the league if not for insane RW depth in the organization) plus a 2020 3rd is a reasonable to very good package. Again Minnesota has strength on the blue line to deal from and Dumba would be the guy teams are interested in paying for. If an equivalent offer came through from another team I do think the Leafs would add a higher pick might be 2021 1st or what have you. But the reality is as much as teams are circling and wanting Nylander right now (a drastic 180 from 12 months ago) Nylander is 22 signed 4 more seasons and is a highly productive Top 4 forward - IMO if Minny targets Nylander they'd be sending Dumba + to get any sort of conversation going.


Kapanen isn't getting top 6 minutes in Minnesota, he'd play behind Zuccarello and Fiala. Take off the Leaf-tinted glasses, Kapanen is a good player but he's not some amazing upgrade for the Wild. The Wild's forward issue is the only center they have who can produce points is Staal, so if they move a guy like Dumba they're going to want a center coming back because that's the team's biggest need.
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 1:04 p.m.
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I still don’t know why leafs fans value a 2nd line winger, a crap D and a player that has zero nhl time for a legit 1st pair D. This trade is everywhere and I don’t see the value here. IMO


Who is the legit 1st pair d here? It certainly isn't Dumba, he's been behind Spurgeon his whole career.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 1:18 p.m.
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Who is the legit 1st pair d here? It certainly isn't Dumba, he's been behind Spurgeon his whole career.


Except Dumba averages more ice time than Spurgeon.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 1:33 p.m.
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Sandin is the top D prospect for the leafs, not Liljegren. If I am Minnie that is who I want if I am not getting Nylander, Blue Jackets cant have any reason to trade Jones, so that narrows things down. Dumba is Rielly, no difference. Rielly is a top pair D man as is Dumba, they will have to pay and to also take the cap dump Ceci also makes them have to pay. Leafs should just be patient for 2 more years and let the process unfold and they can have a Leafs Oilers final.


I never said Lilly was their top D prospect just stating he is a top end prospect. Dumba is the equivalent of Nurse if we are going to compare players let's compare properly

Rielly is = to Jones. Reilly >Jones offensively Jones > Rielly defensively ( they are basically the same player 1 is LH and 1 is RH.

Dumba>Nurse offensively, Nurse>Dumba defensively ( basically the same player 1 LH 1 RH.

Driasitle>Nylander>RNH - how many teams would trade RNH for Nurse probably none as RNH > Nurse
Jan. 19, 2020 at 1:33 p.m.
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Who is the legit 1st pair d here? It certainly isn't Dumba, he's been behind Spurgeon his whole career.


That’s ONLY because Suter calls the shots!
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 1:35 p.m.
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This might just be the stupidest conversation on the history of this website...capgeek included.
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 1:36 p.m.
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Kapanen isn't getting top 6 minutes in Minnesota, he'd play behind Zuccarello and Fiala. Take off the Leaf-tinted glasses, Kapanen is a good player but he's not some amazing upgrade for the Wild. The Wild's forward issue is the only center they have who can produce points is Staal, so if they move a guy like Dumba they're going to want a center coming back because that's the team's biggest need.


Not wearing any tinted glasses Zuccarello edges Kapenen by a hair in production at their current ice times - all I'm saying is if Kapenen is given the opportunity to play Second line minutes your getting production most teams are paying 5/6 million per for 3.2
Jan. 19, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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I still don’t know why leafs fans value a 2nd line winger, a crap D and a player that has zero nhl time for a legit 1st pair D. This trade is everywhere and I don’t see the value here. IMO


You know what a prospect is right? Liljegren is the Leafs 2nd best prospect. He has legit top-4 potential, while Kapanen is a 20-goal winger who can play both power play and PK. Ceci is simply there for cap reasons, he's a UFA at season's end.

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Kapanen isn't getting top 6 minutes in Minnesota, he'd play behind Zuccarello and Fiala. Take off the Leaf-tinted glasses, Kapanen is a good player but he's not some amazing upgrade for the Wild. The Wild's forward issue is the only center they have who can produce points is Staal, so if they move a guy like Dumba they're going to want a center coming back because that's the team's biggest need.


Fine, then take out Kapanen, replace him with Kerfoot and a later pick (4th or 5th round). Would that make it any better?

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Because someone reporting Guerin is looking to make moves and might be willing to part with Dumba suddenly translates to the Wild will dump him for whatever,


This isn't "whatever". Liljegren could end up replacing Dumba's spot by opening night next season. Dumba is a good player, sure, but his value isn't sky-high like you think it is. If they were to actually trade him, this would be about the value you can expect to get back.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 3:04 p.m.
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Except Dumba averages more ice time than Spurgeon.


Cool. But he's not as good
Jan. 19, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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Cool. But he's not as good


Why do you say that? Dumba has a better shot, younger, better contract, more upside still. I totally disagree, but if you watch a lot of him, you can tell me. We see him quite often in the west
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Jan. 19, 2020 at 8:49 p.m.
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Not wearing any tinted glasses Zuccarello edges Kapenen by a hair in production at their current ice times - all I'm saying is if Kapenen is given the opportunity to play Second line minutes your getting production most teams are paying 5/6 million per for 3.2


Kapanen gets that kind of production because teams are sending out their best players against Tavares and Matthews' lines. Btw those best players are the same guys Zuccarello plays every night.
Jan. 19, 2020 at 8:53 p.m.
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Why do you say that? Dumba has a better shot, younger, better contract, more upside still. I totally disagree, but if you watch a lot of him, you can tell me. We see him quite often in the west


Spurgeon sees ice time playing against options top 3, Dumba sees middle 6, has some defensive liabilities and the upside is not that high, D man become who they are between 25-27 We are seeing the worst of Dumba this season we saw the best of him 2 years ago , he hasn't been consistent enough to be called 1/2 - Even though he'd see 1/2 ice in TO he'd still not be considered a 1/2 until he puts together 3 - 40/50 pt seasons
Jan. 19, 2020 at 8:59 p.m.
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Kapanen gets that kind of production because teams are sending out their best players against Tavares and Matthews' lines. Btw those best players are the same guys Zuccarello plays every night.


He'd be competing against Kunin, Hartman,Donato for second line ice - Kapenen wins those battles
Jan. 19, 2020 at 9:00 p.m.
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Spurgeon sees ice time playing against options top 3, Dumba sees middle 6, has some defensive liabilities and the upside is not that high, D man become who they are between 25-27 We are seeing the worst of Dumba this season we saw the best of him 2 years ago , he hasn't been consistent enough to be called 1/2 - Even though he'd see 1/2 ice in TO he'd still not be considered a 1/2 until he puts together 3 - 40/50 pt seasons


Soooo Morgan Rielly is not a 1/2 d man yet either. I call him one, but by your 3-40/50 he is not. Geez I would hate to think what you think of our Klefbomb
 
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