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Blues are going all in for a Cup run Kreider and Toffoli

Created by: Sicarius
Initial Creation Date: Jan 19, 2020
Published: Jan 19 at 7:16 pm
Team: 2019-20 St. Louis Blues
Team Explanation
Lines reflect playoffs when Tarasenko returns, the cap works when Tarasenko stays on LTIR until the playoffs
Trades
STL
  1. Kreider, Chris ($2,300,000 retained)
NYR
  1. Sanford, Zachary
  2. 2020 1st round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Toffoli, Tyler ($2,300,000 retained)
LAK
  1. Kostin, Klim
  2. De La Rose, Jacob
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
STL
STL
STL
CAR
2021
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
2022
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$83,579,594$12,928$732,500-$2,079,594
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Kreider, Chris
$2,325,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
$7,500,000
C
UFA - 4
STL
Perron, David
$4,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
STL
Schwartz, Jaden
$5,350,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Schenn, Brayden
$5,125,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
STL
Tarasenko, Vladimir
$7,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
LAK
Toffoli, Tyler
$2,300,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
STL
Thomas, Robert
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 2
STL
Bozak, Tyler
$5,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Blais, Samuel
$850,000
RW
RFA - 1
STL
Barbashev, Ivan
$1,475,000
C
RFA - 2
STL
Sundqvist, Oskar
$2,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
STL
Steen, Alexander
$5,750,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
MacEachern, Mackenzie
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
STL
Faulk, Justin
$4,150,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Pietrangelo, Alex
$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Binnington, Jordan
$4,400,000
G
UFA - 2
STL
Bouwmeester, Jay
$3,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Parayko, Colton
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
STL
Allen, Jake
$4,350,000
G
UFA - 2
STL
Dunn, Vince
$722,500
LD
RFA - 1
STL
Bortuzzo, Robert
$1,375,000
RD
UFA - 3
STL
Gunnarsson, Carl
$1,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2

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Jan 19 at 7:17
#1
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This will be a Blues vs Bruins SCF rematch this June.
Jan 19 at 7:23
#2
Joined: Jun 2017
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Ridiculous overpayment for Toffoli, who you don’t even need.
Jan 19 at 7:26
#3
Joined: May 2017
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...you're going to be outbid for Kreider if that's your offer..
Jan 19 at 7:31
#4
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Quoting: Sagecoll
...you're going to be outbid for Kreider if that's your offer..


Not likely as there is growing concern amongst GMs about giving up first round picks. Besides, he's not a center which yields a lot more.
Jan 19 at 7:31
#5
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,102
Likes: 720
Why on Earth would you give up Kostin+ for Toffoli? That makes zero sense short and long term.
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Jan 19 at 9:27
#6
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 214
Likes: 102
Kings take that and run.
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Jan 20 at 2:05
#7
mokumboi
Joined: Apr 2019
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No and no.
Jan 20 at 1:53
#8
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 194
Likes: 71
Quoting: Chopper02
Not likely as there is growing concern amongst GMs about giving up first round picks. Besides, he's not a center which yields a lot more.


Maybe the reason GMs don't want to keep giving up first round picks for rentals is because rentals like that don't ever work. Like literally never. When was the last time a team traded for a high level player or a bunch of high level players at the deadline and then won the cup? Wasn't Columbus, even though sweeping the Lightning was cool. Doesn't look like Taylor Hall is doing much for Arizona this year. Winnipeg did okay with Stastny but didn't make it out of the WCF. Ryan Miller didn't make it through a round with the Blues. San Jose didn't make it past the WCF last year despite adding Nyquist and Karlsson (kinda). Wayne freaking Gretzky was a deadline add and he couldn't help a stacked Blues team win a cup.

Don't spend first round picks on expensive rentals because those rentals are dumb. Spend lower picks to acquire more peripheral assets that might actually help you shore up an area you're weak in. Charlie Coyle. Michael Kempny. It should also be said that we've graduated two/three (depending on if you count Blais) top prospects to the NHL in the last two years, traded Bokk and Thompson, and are close to graduating Kostin, Mikkola, and maybe Perunovich. 2020 is a deep draft. Use the pick to give you a good player on an ELC contract when you inevitably have to trade away people because you're a good team in a cap league.
Jan 20 at 11:52
#9
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,102
Likes: 720
Quoting: TheEarthmaster
Maybe the reason GMs don't want to keep giving up first round picks for rentals is because rentals like that don't ever work. Like literally never. When was the last time a team traded for a high level player or a bunch of high level players at the deadline and then won the cup? Wasn't Columbus, even though sweeping the Lightning was cool. Doesn't look like Taylor Hall is doing much for Arizona this year. Winnipeg did okay with Stastny but didn't make it out of the WCF. Ryan Miller didn't make it through a round with the Blues. San Jose didn't make it past the WCF last year despite adding Nyquist and Karlsson (kinda). Wayne freaking Gretzky was a deadline add and he couldn't help a stacked Blues team win a cup.

Don't spend first round picks on expensive rentals because those rentals are dumb. Spend lower picks to acquire more peripheral assets that might actually help you shore up an area you're weak in. Charlie Coyle. Michael Kempny. It should also be said that we've graduated two/three (depending on if you count Blais) top prospects to the NHL in the last two years, traded Bokk and Thompson, and are close to graduating Kostin, Mikkola, and maybe Perunovich. 2020 is a deep draft. Use the pick to give you a good player on an ELC contract when you inevitably have to trade away people because you're a good team in a cap league.


You're preaching to the choir here. I don't want to give up a first rounder.
Honestly, I think both Bokk and Thompson were giant misses by Armstrong at the draft which is why he was fine with parting with those guys. But we do need to replenish our pipeline.
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