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Getting a long term partner for Provy

Created by: Lights
Initial Creation Date: Jan 20, 2020
Published: Jan 20 at 7:43 pm
Team: 2020-21 Philadelphia Flyers
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas2$1,100,000
Friedman, Mark2$850,000
Myers, Philippe2$2,500,000
Lindblom, Oskar3$3,333,333
Patrick, Nolan1$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dell, Aaron1$2,000,000
Trades
PHI
  1. Kulak, Brett
  2. Byron, Paul
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
MTL
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
PHI
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. van Riemsdyk, James
  2. 2021 6th round pick (PHI)
Additional Details:
If EDM misses out on their FA targets.
PHI
  1. Reilly, Mike
OTT
  1. Kulak, Brett
Additional Details:
Another buy low option for Ottawa. Was a solid player last season.
PHI
  1. Savard, David
Additional Details:
Draft day deal.
CBJ
  1. Rubtsov, German
  2. Ginning, Adam [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PHI)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
Buyouts
  • Andrew MacDonald: $1,916,667
  • David Schlemko: $600,000
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
Buried
  • Mike Reilly: $425,000 ($1,500,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PHI
PHI
NSH
PHI
PHI
PHI
MTL
2021
PHI
EDM
PHI
CHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
2022
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$81,395,356$0$582,500$2,104,644
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PHI
Giroux, Claude
$8,275,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
PHI
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 2
PHI
Konecny, Travis
$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
PHI
Lindblom, Oskar
$3,333,333
LW
RFA
PHI
Hayes, Kevin
$7,142,857
C
NMC
UFA - 6
PHI
Frost, Morgan
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
PHI
Farabee, Joel
$925,000
LW
RFA - 2
PHI
Patrick, Nolan
$1,500,000
C, RW
RFA
PHI
Voracek, Jakub
$8,250,000
RW
UFA - 4
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
PHI
Laughton, Scott
$2,300,000
C
UFA - 1
PHI
Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
$1,100,000
RW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PHI
Provorov, Ivan
$6,750,000
LD
UFA - 5
CBJ
Savard, David
$4,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
PHI
Hart, Carter
$730,833
G
RFA - 1
PHI
Sanheim, Travis
$3,250,000
RD
RFA - 1
PHI
Niskanen, Matt
$5,750,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
Dell, Aaron
$2,000,000
G
UFA
EDM
Russell, Kris
$4,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
PHI
Myers, Philippe
$2,500,000
RD
RFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PHI
Raffl, Michael
$1,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
PHI
Morin, Samuel
$700,000
LD
RFA - 1

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Jan 20 at 7:44
#1
Jack
Joined: Feb 2018
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A guy like radko gudas would be great
Jan 20 at 7:45
#2
KovalchukFor2RDP
Joined: Feb 2019
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Quoting: Jack_
A guy like radko gudas would be great


:/
Jan 20 at 7:52
#3
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 593
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Quoting: Jack_
A guy like radko gudas would be great


Isn't Niskanen doing better this year?
Jan 20 at 7:52
#4
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Martynas
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 4,209
Likes: 1,002
Quoting: Jack_
A guy like radko gudas would be great


Iirc his stats when playing top 4 minutes this season (only really played bottom pairing in Philly) aren't very good/decent really.
Jan 20 at 10:32
#5
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 16,512
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Selling Ghost a bit low. Byron is somewhat a question mark after his long absence due to injury. If he come back 100% then he's a solid pickup but that is a bit of a stretch at his age and recent injury history. Kulak hasn't been as good as he was last year and a comparable player could be had in free agency. Also the Savard trade seems really high for a guy that is good but not that good and only has one year left on his deal. 1st round picks in this year's draft are worth more then they are in previous drafts according to numerous hockey analysts. It shoulod shape up to be a very good draft so if you move a 1st, better be getting a very solid player in return. Let alone adding Rubstov, Ginning and a 2nd on top of that.

You have a better shot at reversing all these trades and simply putting Ghost+1st+2nd+Rubstov+Ginning and seeing what you could get. In theory, that should net an all star caliber player.
Jan 21 at 4:50
#6
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 457
Likes: 66
Not sure if any of those deals are good for Philly. Savard is a good player, but also a 4.25mil UFA. Russell is not good, and a UFA at 4mil. Byron is a 3.4mil 4th liner? That defense is pretty bad the next season, when Niskanen, Savard and Russell are all UFAs. JVR has value, I just think its more than Russell and a 2nd. Just not sure, the key guys in return: Savard, Russell and Byron are worth Ghost, JVR, a 1st, a 2nd collectively. Just a lot of moves that I don't think make the club any better.
Jan 21 at 7:55
#7
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7,155
Likes: 1,636
Quoting: Hammerwise
Not sure if any of those deals are good for Philly. Savard is a good player, but also a 4.25mil UFA. Russell is not good, and a UFA at 4mil. Byron is a 3.4mil 4th liner? That defense is pretty bad the next season, when Niskanen, Savard and Russell are all UFAs. JVR has value, I just think its more than Russell and a 2nd. Just not sure, the key guys in return: Savard, Russell and Byron are worth Ghost, JVR, a 1st, a 2nd collectively. Just a lot of moves that I don't think make the club any better.


He's not doing the EDM trade because Russell is good, he's doing it to get out from under the van Riemsdyk contract. Russell's deal is for only one more year and saves $3M in cap space and $5.5M in cash. Plus $7M in cap space for the following 3 year and $12M and another cash savings.

But it won't work. Edmonton has no desire to trade for an overpaid, underperforming, aging winger. They already have one of those: James Neal. If you're interested in replacing van Riemsdyk's 13 goals with Neal's 19 goals let me know, but Edmonton isn't interested in a JVR / Russell swap even if there isn't any picks involved.
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Jan 21 at 8:15
#8
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Posts: 457
Likes: 66
Quoting: CD282
He's not doing the EDM trade because Russell is good, he's doing it to get out from under the van Riemsdyk contract. Russell's deal is for only one more year and saves $3M in cap space and $5.5M in cash. Plus $7M in cap space for the following 3 year and $12M and another cash savings.

But it won't work. Edmonton has no desire to trade for an overpaid, underperforming, aging winger. They already have one of those: James Neal. If you're interested in replacing van Riemsdyk's 13 goals with Neal's 19 goals let me know, but Edmonton isn't interested in a JVR / Russell swap even if there isn't any picks involved.


I somewhat agree, but Russell is an overpaid UFA who's just not that good, and PHI isn't that desperate to lose JVRs contract. There's better options out there. As far as Neal, he's been a dog for years, and there's a better chance JVR is worth half/2/3rds his contract over its duration than Neal will be.
Other than the cap savings, it looks like JVR for a 2nd and I don't think that's enough really.
Jan 21 at 8:26
#9
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Quoting: Hammerwise
I somewhat agree, but Russell is an overpaid UFA who's just not that good, and PHI isn't that desperate to lose JVRs contract. There's better options out there. As far as Neal, he's been a dog for years, and there's a better chance JVR is worth half/2/3rds his contract over its duration than Neal will be.
Other than the cap savings, it looks like JVR for a 2nd and I don't think that's enough really.


Yeah, I don't think this trade works for either team, but I disagree that Neal has "been a dog for years." Other than last year in CGY, he's been one of the most consistent goal scorers in the league, posting 10 consecutive seasons of 20 goals or more - every season he's been in the league, in fact. Something went horribly wrong in CGY last year, but he's got 19 already in EDM this season and is on pace for 32. So I can't agree with your characterization.
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Jan 21 at 11:57
#10
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Ginning doesn't really add value for the Jackets because we have enough LDs to stock two and a half rosters. Otherwise... while that doesn't exactly achieve our base need for Savard (a #2C), it's still a large enough package that it's well worth considering.
 
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