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Upgrade middle 6 if Ducks and Preds sell

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Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 21, 2020
Published: Jan. 21, 2020
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ANA
  1. Manning, Brandon
  2. Samorukov, Dmitri
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
  4. 2020 4th round pick (EDM)
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  1. 2021 5th round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Granlund, Markus
  2. Khaira, Jujhar
  3. 2021 4th round pick (EDM)
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Heres two bad players whos contracs are expiring that will make your team worse for your tank. Enjoy. You even get to move up a round for your trouble
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EDM
  1. Bonino, Nick ($100,000 retained)
NSH
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (EDM)
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:11 p.m.
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Why would you give up on 1 of our best defense prospects for a "3rd line winger"
Put him on the first line.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:13 p.m.
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That ANA deal looks pretty bad. Henrique will be 30 in a couple of weeks, has 4 years left on his deal and hasn't posted over 50 points since 2011-12 when he got 51. Yikes.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Why would you give up on 1 of our best defense prospects for a "3rd line winger"
Put him on the first line.


I am not as high on Samorukov as some are. I don't think his value will ever be higher than it is right now. I also think Henrique is better than a third line winger, I would personally put him there just to spread out scoring, but he can move up and down the lineup, could absolutely fit on the first or 2nd line too.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:18 p.m.
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I am not as high on Samorukov as some are. I don't think his value will ever be higher than it is right now.


How could his value be at its peak when he's a rookie pro who is just getting traction in the AHL?
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:22 p.m.
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That ANA deal looks pretty bad. Henrique will be 30 in a couple of weeks, has 4 years left on his deal and hasn't posted over 50 points since 2011-12 when he got 51. Yikes.


He put up 50pts in '16, 18 and 42 last year, he's not a scoring machine, but he is definitely still a top 6 player with positional flexibility. Yeah he's gonna be 30 soon which isn't ideal but he hasn't had a Sam Gagner type aging core, he still looks like the same guy he's always been if you watch him, his scoring stats are about on par with his career averages (despite playing for a really bad team) and his advanced stats this year are actually as good as they have ever been, the guy is at 57%CF which is pretty damn good considering he's playing with a team that is having their fair share of struggles.
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:25 p.m.
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He put up 50pts in '16, 18 and 42 last year, he's not a scoring machine, but he is definitely still a top 6 player with positional flexibility. Yeah he's gonna be 30 soon which isn't ideal but he hasn't had a Sam Gagner type aging core, he still looks like the same guy he's always been if you watch him, his scoring stats are about on par with his career averages (despite playing for a really bad team) and his advanced stats this year are actually as good as they have ever been, the guy is at 57%CF which is pretty damn good considering he's playing with a team that is having their fair share of struggles.


The cliff is coming and I wouldn't want to be the guy holding the bag when it comes.

Lucic-in-waiting.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.
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How could his value be at its peak when he's a rookie pro who is just getting traction in the AHL?


I am saying I've been following this player since he was in junior, I don't buy the hype around him, I think if he makes the NHL he is a Caleb Jones type of player that youre comfortable with on the third pair but not much more than that, and right now it seems like his perceived value is a top 4D projection and I have a real hard time believing that he gets to that. Watch him play in Bakersfield, look at his stats down there, I know its his rookie year there but he is struggling, compare that to Bouchard (an actual top 4 prospect) who is also a AHL rookie D-man however he is exceling.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:28 p.m.
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The cliff is coming and I wouldn't want to be the guy holding the bag when it comes.

Lucic-in-waiting.


Fair enough I guess, I don't see what signs he's showed you that the cliff is coming or if youre basing that off some sort of gut feel but I don't agree. With Lucic it was inevitable, his type of player does not have long careers at a high level, Henrique plays a very different style. By your logic in 3 years we are going to say that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is about to hit a cliff.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:28 p.m.
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No thnx
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:34 p.m.
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No thnx


Cool. Thanks for your high level input.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:45 p.m.
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I am saying I've been following this player since he was in junior, I don't buy the hype around him, I think if he makes the NHL he is a Caleb Jones type of player that youre comfortable with on the third pair but not much more than that, and right now it seems like his perceived value is a top 4D projection and I have a real hard time believing that he gets to that. Watch him play in Bakersfield, look at his stats down there, I know its his rookie year there but he is struggling, compare that to Bouchard (an actual top 4 prospect) who is also a AHL rookie D-man however he is exceling.


It's too soon to make the call IMO. And prospects don't develop in straight lines either. As far as comparing him to Bouchard, you have to understand that they're playing different roles and have different opportunities. The same thing happened in OHL: Dima never put up boxcars until Merkley was traded, then his boxcars exploded when given an expanded role. As it is, Samorukov has 5 ES points and is -1, while Bouchard has 10 ES points and is -13. The young Russian also missed 8 games due to injury. He's not the offensive prospect Bouchard is, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have value and potential still.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.
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It's too soon to make the call IMO. And prospects don't develop in straight lines either. As far as comparing him to Bouchard, you have to understand that they're playing different roles and have different opportunities. The same thing happened in OHL: Dima never put up boxcars until Merkley was traded, then his boxcars exploded when given an expanded role. As it is, Samorukov has 5 ES points and is -1, while Bouchard has 10 ES points and is -13. The young Russian also missed 8 games due to injury. He's not the offensive prospect Bouchard is, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have value and potential still.


Agree to disagree again, as I have said I don't know what people are looking at for Samo to say he is going to have any sort of NHL career other than his offensive numbers in junior, which I have a really hard time believing are going to translate to the NHL
Jan. 21, 2020 at 1:50 p.m.
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Agree to disagree again, as I have said I don't know what people are looking at for Samo to say he is going to have any sort of NHL career other than his offensive numbers in junior, which I have a really hard time believing are going to translate to the NHL


2-way play. He's a 5-tool guy.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 2:00 p.m.
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2-way play. He's a 5-tool guy.


Yeah I don’t agree, but the beauty of hockey is that we don’t have to and I hope you’re right lol
Jan. 21, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
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Yeah I don’t agree, but the beauty of hockey is that we don’t have to and I hope you’re right lol


Here's an interesting article, mostly about Bouchard but with some stats for all Bakersfield defenders:

https://theathletic.com/1542917/2020/01/18/lowetide-post-christmas-performance-spike-has-evan-bouchard-pushing-for-an-nhl-job-with-the-oilers/
Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
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Here's an interesting article, mostly about Bouchard but with some stats for all Bakersfield defenders:

https://theathletic.com/1542917/2020/01/18/lowetide-post-christmas-performance-spike-has-evan-bouchard-pushing-for-an-nhl-job-with-the-oilers/



I'm not an athletic subscriber so I cant see the content but I do know Lowetide is notorious for over rating Oiler prospects. I think if you asked the guy to this day he would be lobbying for Nail Yakupov to come back and play on a line with McDavid.

Again, all in all the Oilers are blessed with a fairly deep pipeline of defensive prospects, personally I am highest on Broberg, I think when you talk about a 5 tool two way player he is the player that best exemplifies that, but regardless we have a position of depth that we haven't had for a very long time.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
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I'm not an athletic subscriber so I cant see the content but I do know Lowetide is notorious for over rating Oiler prospects.


There are no ratings in the article, but he did post some stats / info that I though would be useful to our discussion. Oh well.

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Again, all in all the Oilers are blessed with a fairly deep pipeline of defensive prospects, personally I am highest on Broberg, I think when you talk about a 5 tool two way player he is the player that best exemplifies that, but regardless we have a position of depth that we haven't had for a very long time.


Yes it is, and it'll be fun to watch them develop and land. It seems Woodcroft and Manson are doing an amazing job in Bakersfield.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:46 p.m.
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Not sure if Henrique is the right guy but the Oilers are deep enough at D and D prospects that they should absolutely be moving a Samorukov or Jones++ for a top 6 winger if possible.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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Not sure if Henrique is the right guy but the Oilers are deep enough at D and D prospects that they should absolutely be moving a Samorukov or Jones++ for a top 6 winger if possible.


I think we'll see something along those lines, but probably not one of the younger prospects (Broberg, Bouchard, Samorukov). Here's why: next year, Bear, Jones, Lagesson and Persson all become waiver eligible for sending to the minors and the Oilers don't have enough room for them all on the roster. Here are the Oilers defensemen who will require waivers to be demoted:

Left
Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson

Right
Bear
Larsson
Benning
Persson

Including Bouchard, who will likely make the team out of camp, there will be 10 players vying for 7 roster spots. Something has to give and trading a prospect like Samorukov won't help. Even if they didn't bother qualifying Persson they still face losing 2 players on waivers next October.

I foresee some D trades next summer, but from the list above, not from the prospect pool. I think Klefbom, Nurse, Bear and probably Larsson will remain (unless someone wants to overpay for one of them) but the others are all vulnerable to trade.

My take, FWIW.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 5:24 p.m.
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If fans thinks Detroit will be a cheap dumping ground for bad players. They're wrong. The tipping fees for your garbage players is higher than that.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.
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If fans thinks Detroit will be a cheap dumping ground for bad players. They're wrong. The tipping fees for your garbage players is higher than that.


Detroit is used as an example because they are actively trying to be a horrible team, this improves their draft assets and gives them bad players on expiring contracts so they can help lose more games for this historical embarrassment of a team and then they will be gone.

Again, it doesn't have to be Detroit, any cellar dweller will do.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 6:02 p.m.
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Detroit is used as an example because they are actively trying to be a horrible team, this improves their draft assets and gives them bad players on expiring contracts so they can help lose more games for this historical embarrassment of a team and then they will be gone.

Again, it doesn't have to be Detroit, any cellar dweller will do.


They're actually not trying to be horrible. They just are horrible. Which makes it even more depressing. Going up like 10ish spots from a 5th (first pick in the 5th) to a 4th (later half of the 4th) isn't worth giving other teams a huge assist by freeing up their caps so they can make better moves. Khaira is also on the books for next year too and wouldn't help the red wings re-build. He's definitely not wanted.

Detroit would take Granlund and a 4th for the Kris Draper special.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 6:09 p.m.
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They're actually not trying to be horrible. They just are horrible. Which makes it even more depressing. Going up like 10ish spots from a 5th (first pick in the 5th) to a 4th (later half of the 4th) isn't worth giving other teams a huge assist by freeing up their caps so they can make better moves. Khaira is also on the books for next year too and wouldn't help the red wings re-build. He's definitely not wanted.

Detroit would take Granlund and a 4th for the Kris Draper special.


I don't see why they are hesitant to help other teams from a cap perspective as long as theyre getting compensated somehow (picks) considering they wont be relevant in the standings for 3-4 years but alright.

My mistake on Khaira, don't know what I was thinking, if you wanted more to take Granlund fair enough. Although I actually think Khaira is a half decent guy to have around for a rebuild. Wont get embarrassed on the ice, will stand up for his team mates and fills a roster spot for cheap so other guys can stay down and develop.
 
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