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Hall as a UFA

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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 20, 2020
Published: Jan. 21, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
2$1,000,000
3$1,750,000
2$2,750,000
5$3,750,000
2$3,750,000
5$4,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$8,500,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (SJS)
SJS
    Murray rights
    2.
    PIT
    1. 2020 3rd round pick (LAK)
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2020
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    2021
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    2022
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$84,000,000$79,625,000$0$850,000$4,375,000
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 4
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    $8,700,000$8,700,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    $8,500,000$8,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $9,500,000$9,500,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $5,300,000$5,300,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $750,000$750,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $4,100,000$4,100,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $7,250,000$7,250,000
    RD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $3,750,000$3,750,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $3,750,000$3,750,000
    LD
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $700,000$700,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $750,000$750,000
    C, LW
    UFA
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $750,000$750,000
    RW, C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $1,150,000$1,150,000
    LD
    UFA - 1

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    Jan. 23, 2020 at 4:00 p.m.
    #26
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    Quoting: CD282
    Panarin when he signed in NY had 4 seasons of production with which to evaluate. Just looking at boxcars, per season he averaged:

    29 goal, 51 assists and 80 points. He was 8th highest scorer in the NHL.

    For comparison's sake we'll take the same 4 years for Hall (which includes his Hart year), per season he averaged:

    24 goals, 38 assists and 62 points. He was 36th highest scorer in the NHL.


    Not to mention the fact that if you watched Panarin play for CBJ, the whole offense ran through him. He was like superman there.
    Hall has never done that. Panarin was a 1 man wrecking ball for CBJ.
    Jan. 23, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.
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    ok so they are still a "poor" team offensively and they have Hall. Then how did he "elevate" his lines.
    I mean don't you get that. You are in a circular argument with that nonsense. It's always everyone's fault but Hall's because Hall has a name and it couldn't be him.
    He's not an 11 million player. No one in their right mind pays him that either.


    ALL STRENGTHS
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.57GF/60 (25th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 3.05GF/60 (18th)
    EVEN STRENGTH
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.3GF/60 (28th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 2.83GF/60 (16th)

    That's a huuuge jump in a short time. He's elevating that team like he did with EDM and NJD. Just wait until he gets on a good team, dude will consistently be around that 100 point mark.
    Jan. 23, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    ALL STRENGTHS
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.57GF/60 (25th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 3.05GF/60 (18th)
    EVEN STRENGTH
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.3GF/60 (28th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 2.83GF/60 (16th)

    That's a huuuge jump in a short time. He's elevating that team like he did with EDM and NJD. Just wait until he gets on a good team, dude will consistently be around that 100 point mark.


    No he won't. He can't stay healthy.
    Jan. 23, 2020 at 4:23 p.m.
    #29
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    Quoting: bigZ98
    2nd round pick.... thats it? A 2 time cup winning goalie who is an rfa and wont be demanding too much money traded for..... a second round pick. Oof. If you are gonna trade him at least trade him and get something in return that actually makes the team better now. That second round pick wont do anything for us until its too late and just subtracting murray from this roster makes us worse


    That's basically a first in this draft
    Jan. 23, 2020 at 4:24 p.m.
    #30
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    Quoting: CD282
    Probably true, but it runs counter to what Hall has said in the past. He has stated publicly that he'll be looking for the best chance to win, not for the biggest payday.


    This: "You make less than Crosby if you want to play for us" "Ok"
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    Jan. 23, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    No he won't. He can't stay healthy.


    O okay well he'll average around 100 points lol
    Jan. 23, 2020 at 5:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    O okay well he'll average around 100 points lol


    His average through his prime was something like 62. Are you saying he'll raise his production by over 60% in his 30's?? That's a pretty crazy expectation.
    Jan. 23, 2020 at 6:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    His average through his prime was something like 62. Are you saying he'll raise his production by over 60% in his 30's?? That's a pretty crazy expectation.


    Well he just turned 28 and he's always put up great numbers on bad teams while putting up elite underlying, play driving numbers. Put him on a team with some talent he can easily get to around 100 points.
    Jan. 24, 2020 at 7:56 a.m.
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    Well he just turned 28 and he's always put up great numbers on bad teams while putting up elite underlying, play driving numbers. Put him on a team with some talent he can easily get to around 100 points.


    He might do it once (he hit 93 once in NJ in 76 games beating his previous career high of 80 in 75 games way back in 2013-14), but your argument is that he'd be able to hit 100 consistently. There's absolutely no evidence that this is even remotely close to realistic.

    Oh, and he DID play with talent most of those years: in Edmonton his main linemates were Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle. The rest of the team was hot garbage most years (which boosted Hall's "rels"), but Hall himself mostly had good talent to play with. Even in NJ his most common linemates were Palmieri and Hischier - both highly talented players.
     
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