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Hall as a UFA

Created by: Schlegel
Initial Creation Date: Jan 20, 2020
Published: Jan 21 at 3:15 pm
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Angello, Anthony2$750,000
Blandisi, Joseph2$750,000
DiPauli, Thomas2$750,000
Johnson, Adam2$750,000
Knott, Graham2$750,000
Lafferty, Sam2$750,000
Lucchini, Jacob2$750,000
Miletic, Sam2$750,000
Nyberg, John2$750,000
Riikola, Juuso2$1,000,000
Simon, Dominik3$1,750,000
Kahun, Dominik2$2,750,000
Pettersson, Marcus5$3,750,000
Jarry, Tristan2$3,750,000
McCann, Jared5$4,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hall, Taylor7$8,500,000
Trades
PIT
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (SJS)
SJS
    Murray rights
    PIT
    1. 2020 3rd round pick (LAK)
    LAK
    1. Bjugstad, Nick
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    PIT
    SJS
    PIT
    LAK
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    2021
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    ANA
    2022
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$84,000,000$83,225,000$0$850,000$775,000
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    PIT
    Guentzel, Jake
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Crosby, Sidney
    $8,700,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    PIT
    Kahun, Dominik
    $2,750,000
    LW, RW, C
    RFA
    Hall, Taylor
    $8,500,000
    LW, C
    UFA
    PIT
    Malkin, Evgeni
    $9,500,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Rust, Bryan
    $3,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Simon, Dominik
    $1,750,000
    RW, LW
    RFA
    PIT
    McCann, Jared
    $4,500,000
    LW, C
    RFA
    PIT
    Hörnqvist, Patric
    $5,300,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Tanev, Brandon
    $3,500,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    PIT
    Blueger, Teddy
    $750,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Aston-Reese, Zach
    $1,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    PIT
    Dumoulin, Brian
    $4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Letang, Kris
    $7,250,000
    RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Jarry, Tristan
    $3,750,000
    G
    RFA
    PIT
    Pettersson, Marcus
    $3,750,000
    LD
    UFA - 5
    PIT
    Marino, John
    $925,000
    D
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    DeSmith, Casey
    $1,250,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Riikola, Juuso
    $1,000,000
    D
    RFA
    PIT
    Ruhwedel, Chad
    $700,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    PIT
    Johnson, Adam
    $750,000
    C, LW
    UFA
    PIT
    Lafferty, Sam
    $750,000
    C, LW
    RFA
    PIT
    Johnson, Jack
    $3,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 3

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    Jan 23 at 4:00
    #26
    Joined: Jun 2018
    Posts: 8,810
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    Quoting: CD282
    Panarin when he signed in NY had 4 seasons of production with which to evaluate. Just looking at boxcars, per season he averaged:

    29 goal, 51 assists and 80 points. He was 8th highest scorer in the NHL.

    For comparison's sake we'll take the same 4 years for Hall (which includes his Hart year), per season he averaged:

    24 goals, 38 assists and 62 points. He was 36th highest scorer in the NHL.


    Not to mention the fact that if you watched Panarin play for CBJ, the whole offense ran through him. He was like superman there.
    Hall has never done that. Panarin was a 1 man wrecking ball for CBJ.
    Jan 23 at 4:08
    #27
    Joined: Jul 2016
    Posts: 3,794
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    Quoting: pharrow
    ok so they are still a "poor" team offensively and they have Hall. Then how did he "elevate" his lines.
    I mean don't you get that. You are in a circular argument with that nonsense. It's always everyone's fault but Hall's because Hall has a name and it couldn't be him.
    He's not an 11 million player. No one in their right mind pays him that either.


    ALL STRENGTHS
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.57GF/60 (25th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 3.05GF/60 (18th)
    EVEN STRENGTH
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.3GF/60 (28th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 2.83GF/60 (16th)

    That's a huuuge jump in a short time. He's elevating that team like he did with EDM and NJD. Just wait until he gets on a good team, dude will consistently be around that 100 point mark.
    Jan 23 at 4:15
    #28
    Joined: Mar 2017
    Posts: 7,650
    Likes: 1,809
    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    ALL STRENGTHS
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.57GF/60 (25th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 3.05GF/60 (18th)
    EVEN STRENGTH
    ARI before Hall trade: 2.3GF/60 (28th)
    ARI after Hall trade: 2.83GF/60 (16th)

    That's a huuuge jump in a short time. He's elevating that team like he did with EDM and NJD. Just wait until he gets on a good team, dude will consistently be around that 100 point mark.


    No he won't. He can't stay healthy.
    Jan 23 at 4:23
    #29
    Thread Starter
    All-Team Pylon
    Joined: Jun 2015
    Posts: 690
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    Quoting: bigZ98
    2nd round pick.... thats it? A 2 time cup winning goalie who is an rfa and wont be demanding too much money traded for..... a second round pick. Oof. If you are gonna trade him at least trade him and get something in return that actually makes the team better now. That second round pick wont do anything for us until its too late and just subtracting murray from this roster makes us worse


    That's basically a first in this draft
    Jan 23 at 4:24
    #30
    Thread Starter
    All-Team Pylon
    Joined: Jun 2015
    Posts: 690
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    Quoting: CD282
    Probably true, but it runs counter to what Hall has said in the past. He has stated publicly that he'll be looking for the best chance to win, not for the biggest payday.


    This: "You make less than Crosby if you want to play for us" "Ok"
    CD282 liked this.
    Jan 23 at 4:26
    #31
    Joined: Jul 2016
    Posts: 3,794
    Likes: 1,073
    Quoting: CD282
    No he won't. He can't stay healthy.


    O okay well he'll average around 100 points lol
    Jan 23 at 5:43
    #32
    Joined: Mar 2017
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    O okay well he'll average around 100 points lol


    His average through his prime was something like 62. Are you saying he'll raise his production by over 60% in his 30's?? That's a pretty crazy expectation.
    Jan 23 at 6:20
    #33
    Joined: Jul 2016
    Posts: 3,794
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    Quoting: CD282
    His average through his prime was something like 62. Are you saying he'll raise his production by over 60% in his 30's?? That's a pretty crazy expectation.


    Well he just turned 28 and he's always put up great numbers on bad teams while putting up elite underlying, play driving numbers. Put him on a team with some talent he can easily get to around 100 points.
    Jan 24 at 7:56
    #34
    Joined: Mar 2017
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    Well he just turned 28 and he's always put up great numbers on bad teams while putting up elite underlying, play driving numbers. Put him on a team with some talent he can easily get to around 100 points.


    He might do it once (he hit 93 once in NJ in 76 games beating his previous career high of 80 in 75 games way back in 2013-14), but your argument is that he'd be able to hit 100 consistently. There's absolutely no evidence that this is even remotely close to realistic.

    Oh, and he DID play with talent most of those years: in Edmonton his main linemates were Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle. The rest of the team was hot garbage most years (which boosted Hall's "rels"), but Hall himself mostly had good talent to play with. Even in NJ his most common linemates were Palmieri and Hischier - both highly talented players.
     
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