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My best offer to minny for dumba

Created by: Leafs_fan13
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 21, 2020
Published: Jan. 21, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2020 5th round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
2.
MIN
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
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3.
MTL
  1. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (TOR)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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21$81,500,000$79,747,143$0$70,000$1,752,857
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
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$10,893,000$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
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$350,000$350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$694,444$694,444 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
LW
UFA - 1
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
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I think this is fair and helps Minny truly rebuild
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
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Why people have desire to get another defensively bad defenseman??
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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Ive said it before and ill say it again. Unless the trade includes Nylander or one of the leafs A level top prospects (Sandin, Robertson, etc.) the leafs cannot trade for dumba without trading a first round pick. Its not that easy to trade for high end talent and not give up a first. Leafs fans need to get realistic. MIN cant trade a player like dumba and get back a return filled with a bunch of maybe players and picks. You guys need to get real here. Talent costs talent. Or as Thanos would have said..... "A talent for a talent" or.... something lol
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:52 p.m.
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Then the Wild say no. Yes, Dumba is available, but we have no reason to trade him unless it's a trade that makes sense. We should be getting ONE of two things in a Dumba trade: top 10 draft pick OR a center prospect/young center with top 6 upside. The only piece that comes close to either of those two things that Toronto has is Nylander. Toronto isn't moving Nylander, so there isn't a trade to be made. The Wild are busting with wingers with arguably one of the best wingers outside of the NHL in Kirill Kaprizov who is coming over next season so we have no need for Johnsson (nor Kapanen for that matter). We already have Belpedio and Mennell in the pipeline who have 2nd pairing upside so adding Liljegren doesn't make much sense either. We also have Soucy who has shown he can play well in the top 4 and of course there's Brodin. So our blue line for now and the future is pretty set in stone. The picks are a nice sentiment, but they are more throw-ins than anything. If neither a top 6 young center nor a top 10 pick are going to MN, we are better off keeping Dumba and waiting for his value to rise.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Why people have desire to get another defensively bad defenseman??


Dumba's offensive numbers are 3rd pairing stats. Yea I know players shouldn't be based one stats. But again this is another trade probably not based on logic but on the premise "If he's a right handed shot, and one time scored lots of points he must be a star." Tell me how that theory has worked out with Barrie. A lot to give up especially for the cap difference for someone who probably isn't a difference maker.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.
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@TanSor and @bigZ98 nailed it!

@palhal I have a ton of respect for you and your hockey opinions, but I completely disagree with you here. Barrie has no heart, never has! Dumba has more heart than anyone else on the Wild. He cares and he will regain his previous form...I would bet on that! This is why I would only trade him for a major piece, or pieces coming back.
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Why people have desire to get another defensively bad defenseman??


agreed,
TOR would be better off targeting Brodin or Spurgeon (if a deal with MIN) if not then Brodie, Pesce, Tanev or even Jensen... all of these guys are much more solid defensively and could let Barrie or Reilly focus more on offense.
IMO they should really go after Dhillon from SJS tough, defensively sound and would be cheaper than any of the above guys
Jan. 21, 2020 at 5:37 p.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
@TanSor and @bigZ98 nailed it!

@palhal I have a ton of respect for you and your hockey opinions, but I completely disagree with you here. Barrie has no heart, never has! Dumba has more heart than anyone else on the Wild. He cares and he will regain his previous form...I would bet on that! This is why I would only trade him for a major piece, or pieces coming back.


Think you misinterpreted my thoughts on Barrie. IMO he was been the Leafs worse Dman this year. His play is more a summer PTO contract than any long term deal. I've been most critical of Barrie throughout the year except for maybe a three week love in period when Keefe arrived.
What I was trying to say in my post is that so many fans think there is a magic cure by having one RHD different RHD on the Leafs. I disagree. It ain't Dumba (especially this year) or Pietrangelo or Parayko as so many salivate over. And the trade as proposed certainly doesn't hurts the Leafs cap wise next season.
That being said....I don't think it's a good trade for the Wild. For an established RHD, they should expect a better return than Johnsson at forward, and a probably a young NHL Man with upside...not a prospect and the iffy picks.
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Jan. 21, 2020 at 6:10 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Dumba's offensive numbers are 3rd pairing stats. Yea I know players shouldn't be based one stats. But again this is another trade probably not based on logic but on the premise "If he's a right handed shot, and one time scored lots of points he must be a star." Tell me how that theory has worked out with Barrie. A lot to give up especially for the cap difference for someone who probably isn't a difference maker.


You realize he plays on the 3rd pairing right? And it’s one down season...
Jan. 21, 2020 at 6:20 p.m.
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You realize he plays on the 3rd pairing right? And it’s one down season...


Dumba is with Brodin on the 2nd pairing and staring to play much better. Not back to his old self, but definitely better.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 6:21 p.m.
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Think you misinterpreted my thoughts on Barrie. IMO he was been the Leafs worse Dman this year. His play is more a summer PTO contract than any long term deal. I've been most critical of Barrie throughout the year except for maybe a three week love in period when Keefe arrived.
What I was trying to say in my post is that so many fans think there is a magic cure by having one RHD different RHD on the Leafs. I disagree. It ain't Dumba (especially this year) or Pietrangelo or Parayko as so many salivate over. And the trade as proposed certainly doesn't hurts the Leafs cap wise next season.
That being said....I don't think it's a good trade for the Wild. For an established RHD, they should expect a better return than Johnsson at forward, and a probably a young NHL Man with upside...not a prospect and the iffy picks.


I did misinterpret what you wrote. I should have known better.
Jan. 21, 2020 at 6:31 p.m.
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Dumba is with Brodin on the 2nd pairing and staring to play much better. Not back to his old self, but definitely better.


I keep forgetting Brodin/Soucy got split. And yeah I’m pretty sure it’s just a confidence thing because he leads the team in shots, just need one to go in!
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