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Rumors SJS has been taking calls

Created by: DocArin0
Initial Creation Date: Jan 21, 2020
Published: Jan 21 at 9:04 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I used the Erik Karlsson trade as reference to what a Defencemen of that Caliber is worth

Which broke down as 1 NHL Ready Top 9 Forward, 1 Bottom Pair defencemen, 2 Prospects 1 1st, 1 2nd & 2 Conditional Picks. with very similar conditions i added here

I did not add as many draft picks compared to that trade as i feel Robertson & Liljegren are higher rated prospects in comparison to Norris & Balcers

To Refresh this was the Trade 2 years ago.

San Jose Sharks Acquire:
Erik Karlsson
Francis Perron

Ottawa Senators Acquire:
Chris Tierney
Dylan DeMelo
Josh Norris
Rūdolfs Balcers
First-round pick (2019 or 2020)
Second-round pick (2019)

Conditional second-round pick (2021)
Conditional first-round pick (no later than 2022)
Trades
TOR
  1. Burns, Brent ($1,400,000 retained)
  2. Dell, Aaron ($900,000 retained)
SJS
  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. Ceci, Cody
  4. Liljegren, Timothy
  5. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
  6. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
Additional Details:
If TOR makes the playoffs in 2020-2021 TORs 2020 3rd upgrades to a 2020 2nd + 2021 3rd

Conditional 2021 1st If TOR advances to the East Finals in 2020-2021 or in 2021-2022
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$78,191,310$0$70,000$3,308,690
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
SJS
Burns, Brent
$6,600,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 6
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
SJS
Dell, Aaron
$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3

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Jan 21 at 9:06
#1
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Yikes, that Brent Burns contract is going to look terrible in like 2-3 years, let alone 6.
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Jan 21 at 9:07
#2
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I don't see Toronto making this deal any day soon. They're internally extremely high on Kapanen and Burns is just too old for this group. If Burns was in his late 20's I think the idea would make sense for them. But as is it doesn't make a lot of sense right now
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Jan 21 at 9:08
#3
Lenny7
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Yikes, that Brent Burns contract is going to look terrible in like 2-3 years, let alone 6.


100%. Between him, Karlsson and Vlasic, they’re going to have a not so fun time in a few years a (or now...)
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Jan 21 at 9:09
#4
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Except it's 34 yr old Brent Burns with a long long expensive contract, not 28 year old Erik Karlsson, who if you didn't pay you'd have that lovely top 3 pick.
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Jan 21 at 9:13
#5
Master of NHL trades
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Quoting: Lenny7
100%. Between him, Karlsson and Vlasic, they’re going to have a not so fun time in a few years a (or now...)


Let's not also forget that horrendous Jones contract.
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Jan 21 at 9:13
#6
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Yikes, that Brent Burns contract is going to look terrible in like 2-3 years, let alone 6.


Think about 6 Years, Burns at 6.6m when the cap is consistently going up. 6 Years ago the NHL Cap was 64.3m, Thats a 17.2m increase. In 6 Years thats Equal to the NHL having a 98.7m Cap hit if it increased the same amount. I would take a 40 year old Burns at that cap percentage any day of the week
Jan 21 at 9:15
#7
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Quoting: DocArin0
Think about 6 Years, Burns at 6.6m when the cap is consistently going up. 6 Years ago the NHL Cap was 64.3m, Thats a 17.2m increase. In 6 Years thats Equal to the NHL having a 98.7m Cap hit if it increased the same amount. I would take a 40 year old Burns at that cap percentage any day of the week


We'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't think Burns will be worth $2 million at age 40.
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Jan 21 at 9:15
#8
Lenny7
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Quoting: GMmaster13
Let's not also forget that horrendous Jones contract.


It’s mind bottling that a GM can be so good (Karlsson trade before that pick became a top 10 choice, the Lebanc contract for this year, etc), but so friggin’ bad at the same time.
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Jan 21 at 9:30
#9
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Think you have proved why the Leafs don't make the deal....it's a massive overpayment. Look how successful the Sharks have been the 11.5m Karlsson and now even the 8m Burns. Not good at all.
You really can't used % as a yardstick. When younger players want to get good contracts it's no good for a team to have declining players plugging up the cap. And as we have seen last summer, good RFA are getting close or even UFA money.
Sharks and their over 30 year and more threesome of Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic...26.5m. awful value on the ice right now.
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Jan 21 at 10:03
#10
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Quoting: palhal
Think you have proved why the Leafs don't make the deal....it's a massive overpayment. Look how successful the Sharks have been the 11.5m Karlsson and now even the 8m Burns. Not good at all.
You really can't used % as a yardstick. When younger players want to get good contracts it's no good for a team to have declining players plugging up the cap. And as we have seen last summer, good RFA are getting close or even UFA money.
Sharks and their over 30 year and more threesome of Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic...26.5m. awful value on the ice right now.


Has there even been a team that has made the playoffs paying a D 11 million? I don't think so
Jan 21 at 10:09
#11
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Id love to see your fake source, but no the sharks arent rebuilding.
Jan 21 at 10:11
#12
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Every post on here is spot on.
How does the phrase go...
Chasing butterflies?
Or trying to catch lightning in a bottle?
Heck, you can trade only half the assets above to a rebuilding team at TDL for a solid, mid pairing d man in his prime, who will give you 4-6 years good years of service. The league is gravitating to getting younger and faster, not older and slower. There is a premium now on drafting...trying to weed through the hype to determine which prospects will be able to combine talent, speed, and compete level to make it in the league.
Every year there are too many older players not having a dance partner at the end of the summer, only to hang em up, play in Europe, or wait it out like Justin Williams just did for the Canes.
Or go to a team that has too many ready d men...
The Jackets have excelled at this the past few years (scouting and drafting/developing). In fact there is a log jam now at D. They won’t be willing to give up a Jones or Werenski, but a Kukan, Harrington, Carlsson, or Murray, etc will probably be available sooner rather than later.
Jan 21 at 10:13
#13
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I would not pay a penny to acquire burns without retention. That is a terrifying contract
Jan 21 at 10:14
#14
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Quoting: Boomer125
Has there even been a team that has made the playoffs paying a D 11 million? I don't think so


Nashville made it twice with P.K. Subban making $11M in 2016-17 and 2017-18.

If you're talking about cap hit, this is the first season there has ever been a defenseman with an $11 million cap hit, so a team has never missed the playoffs with a D having an $11 million cap hit either.
Jan 21 at 10:17
#15
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Nashville made it twice with P.K. Subban making $11M in 2016-17 and 2017-18.

If you're talking about cap hit, this is the first season there has ever been a defenseman with an $11 million cap hit, so a team has never missed the playoffs with a D having an $11 million cap hit either.


Cap hit is the only thing relevant, not looking good on playoffs for 11 million on a single Defense man
Jan 21 at 10:46
#16
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: palhal
Think you have proved why the Leafs don't make the deal....it's a massive overpayment. Look how successful the Sharks have been the 11.5m Karlsson and now even the 8m Burns. Not good at all.
You really can't used % as a yardstick. When younger players want to get good contracts it's no good for a team to have declining players plugging up the cap. And as we have seen last summer, good RFA are getting close or even UFA money.
Sharks and their over 30 year and more threesome of Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic...26.5m. awful value on the ice right now.


Don’t forget about couture, Jones and soon to be Kane. On forward.
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Jan 21 at 11:20
#17
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Don’t forget about couture, Jones and soon to be Kane. On forward.


I didn't want to mention the two forwards. Leafs haters say you can't win with four forwards making 40.6m...yea that might be true. But would rather be in the Leafs position than have 41.5m in five guys (Karlsson, Burns, Classic, Couture and Kane) who are probably on the downside soon.
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Jan 22 at 7:40
#18
Who adds what?
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Dell, with retention, is worth a 2nd. Ceci is moved for cap space.

So you're offering Burns, with some retention, for Kapanen, Liljegren, Robertson, and a 3rd. Still sounds slightly high, based on age and a slightly down year, but acting like all of the above are valuable pieces for Burns makes it sound worse than it is.

Take out Liljegren and I think a few Toronto fans might come around?
 
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