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CBJ trade try No 2

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Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 22, 2020
Published: Jan. 22, 2020
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3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
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7$6,900,000
2$2,900,000
2$1,900,000
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1$1,200,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Anderson, Josh [RFA Rights]
  2. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
CBJ
  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
  2. Poehling, Ryan
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
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22$83,500,000$74,150,475$0$2,945,000$9,349,525
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C
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Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
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ITEMS ON DISPLAY ARE NOT FOR SALE.
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Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
ITEMS ON DISPLAY ARE NOT FOR SALE.


So was Subban, everybody can be for sale. Don't be emotional - but I can understand why CBJ wouldn't want to trade them (those are the same reason I wan them)
Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.
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Quoting: MTLaveragefan
So was Subban, everybody can be for sale. Don't be emotional - but I can understand why CBJ wouldn't want to trade them (those are the same reason I wan them)


I think Dubois is untouchable at this point because he can be one of Jackets' core piece of a potential rebuild since they losT Bobrovsky, Panarin, Duchene & Dzingel.
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Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.
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I would make that trade, but if Montreal believes in its kids, the Habs should trade Domi for a pick/prospect and then offer-sheet Dubois at $10Mx6 and watch Columbus squirm. The Jackets are 29th in revenues and already have a slew of lousy contracts. Meanwhile, if the Habs' kids are what we all seem to think they are, the 4 first-round picks should all be in the 20s (hopefully 30s), which would make the four picks expendable.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:18 p.m.
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Quoting: EzioUchiha
I think Dubois is untouchable at this point because he can be one of Jackets' core piece of a potential rebuild since they losT Bobrovsky, Panarin, Duchene & Dzingel.


There's a reason those guys are all elsewhere -- the team is not in a viable market (29th in revenues), which means the ownership has no money.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
There's a reason those guys are all elsewhere -- the team is not in a viable market (29th in revenues), which means the ownership has no money.


I don't think it is about money - its about quality of the city - Panarin wanted the big city, Bob wanted the sun and beaches, Duchene wanted the country scene. Dzingel I don't know
Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.
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There's a reason those guys are all elsewhere -- the team is not in a viable market (29th in revenues), which means the ownership has no money.


Your statement only applies for Bobrovsky and Panarin. Duchene wanted to either go to his childhood team (Habs) or team located in "Music City" (Preds). As for Dzingel, he kinda jump into the "bandwagon" of exploring FA just like Panarin, Bobrovsky and Duchene did. Maybe Dzingel left because he wanted to be with a true contender.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 12:29 p.m.
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I don't think it is about money - its about quality of the city - Panarin wanted the big city, Bob wanted the sun and beaches, Duchene wanted the country scene. Dzingel I don't know


Quoting: EzioUchiha
Your statement only applies for Bobrovsky and Panarin. Duchene wanted to either go to his childhood team (Habs) or team located in "Music City" (Preds). As for Dzingel, he kinda jump into the "bandwagon" of exploring FA just like Panarin, Bobrovsky and Duchene did. Maybe Dzingel left because he wanted to be with a true contender.


Or maybe it was just a bad idea to put a hockey team in a small market with little/no history of supporting the sport. It's not the only vulnerable franchise, but it's probably pretty close to the top of the list.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 1:21 p.m.
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The Jackets didn't rebuild. They simply are moving on from players that didn't want to be here. Dubois is absolutely not going anywhere. You Canadian fans need to be realistic. Dubois is a center piece for the entire franchise. He also comes with 4 years of team control. Again move on from these lame trades.
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Jan. 22, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
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Or maybe it was just a bad idea to put a hockey team in a small market with little/no history of supporting the sport. It's not the only vulnerable franchise, but it's probably pretty close to the top of the list.


So your suggestion is to trade away our number one center just because we don’t generate revenue like the major market teams? I don’t know if you know this but Panarin was offered 12.5x8 with 3 hours to go before free agency. (My numbers may be slightly off.) there not afraid to spend money and the Dubois offer sheet would be matched. But good luck to you.
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Jan. 22, 2020 at 3:21 p.m.
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So your suggestion is to trade away our number one center just because we don’t generate revenue like the major market teams? I don’t know if you know this but Panarin was offered 12.5x8 with 3 hours to go before free agency. (My numbers may be slightly off.) there not afraid to spend money and the Dubois offer sheet would be matched. But good luck to you.


Nah, habs won't offersheet PLD, but I don't know if PLD wants to sign an 8 year contract with CBJ. So maybe instead of signing a 3-4 year deal, they might try something.

But hey, maybe (most likely) they won't trade him. But in a vaccum I think its a pretty good offer for him.
Jan. 22, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
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Nah, habs won't offersheet PLD, but I don't know if PLD wants to sign an 8 year contract with CBJ. So maybe instead of signing a 3-4 year deal, they might try something.

But hey, maybe (most likely) they won't trade him. But in a vaccum I think its a pretty good offer for him.


While I don’t think it’s a terrible offer I’m still not going to take it. My comment wasn't about the trade itself it was the reasons they gave as to why jackets should take it.
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Jan. 22, 2020 at 11:52 p.m.
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So your suggestion is to trade away our number one center just because we don’t generate revenue like the major market teams? I don’t know if you know this but Panarin was offered 12.5x8 with 3 hours to go before free agency. (My numbers may be slightly off.) there not afraid to spend money and the Dubois offer sheet would be matched. But good luck to you.


I take no joy in writing that the league has become stretched too thin and become imbalanced. When only 6-8 teams are paying into an equalization fund and nearly half of the league is drawing from it, that's a broken league. Baseball is no better. Given the chance to have 4 first rounders, the ownership would be hard-pressed to make the call on a $60+M contract. They didn't do it with Panarin, Bobrovsky, Dzingel, or any other top players. They are willing to pay Seth, Zach and others $5M, but when it comes time to spend on the UFAs, they don't because they can't. So if a team were to offer Dubois Marner-like money, I just don't see them matching it. As I said, I take no joy in saying this, but it's a fact of the imbalances in the league.
Jan. 23, 2020 at 9:08 a.m.
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I take no joy in writing that the league has become stretched too thin and become imbalanced. When only 6-8 teams are paying into an equalization fund and nearly half of the league is drawing from it, that's a broken league. Baseball is no better. Given the chance to have 4 first rounders, the ownership would be hard-pressed to make the call on a $60+M contract. They didn't do it with Panarin, Bobrovsky, Dzingel, or any other top players. They are willing to pay Seth, Zach and others $5M, but when it comes time to spend on the UFAs, they don't because they can't. So if a team were to offer Dubois Marner-like money, I just don't see them matching it. As I said, I take no joy in saying this, but it's a fact of the imbalances in the league.


While I do not believe 10x6 gets you 4 firsts ( I could be wrong) that offer could absolutely be matched. But may I remind you, the offer for aho, Who is at least on the same level as Dubois was offered 8.5. So I don’t know who’s gonna offer Dubois 10+ on an offer sheet.
The cbj were the team in on Marner he just wanted to stay in Toronto. I believe the offer was 12.5x7( my numbers may be off but they were bigger than the contract signed by Toronto).

The first 12 years of the franchise were abysmal and could not attract anybody. But now we are starting to get traction it’s going to be a slow climb but that’s how it’s done in a small market.
And they did offer Panarin 12.5x8. He just wanted to be in nyc. We burned the bridge with bob so that was self inflicted.
Duchene was set on Nashville and management did not want to extend dzingel due to his poor play under torts.
Jan. 23, 2020 at 11:01 a.m.
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"You're not going along with our fantasy material, so your market sucks and your player will come to us anyways."

****ing O6 fans. shakes head

We only move Dubois if we get a #1C of similar age back. Not "could be a #1C", not "would be a #1C on your team". A #1C. A consistent, actual, current, young NHL-level #1C. Montreal doesn't have that, so Montreal can't make it happen.
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Jan. 23, 2020 at 3:47 p.m.
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While I do not believe 10x6 gets you 4 firsts ( I could be wrong) that offer could absolutely be matched. But may I remind you, the offer for aho, Who is at least on the same level as Dubois was offered 8.5. So I don’t know who’s gonna offer Dubois 10+ on an offer sheet.
The cbj were the team in on Marner he just wanted to stay in Toronto. I believe the offer was 12.5x7( my numbers may be off but they were bigger than the contract signed by Toronto).

The first 12 years of the franchise were abysmal and could not attract anybody. But now we are starting to get traction it’s going to be a slow climb but that’s how it’s done in a small market.
And they did offer Panarin 12.5x8. He just wanted to be in nyc. We burned the bridge with bob so that was self inflicted.
Duchene was set on Nashville and management did not want to extend dzingel due to his poor play under torts.


Aho was offered $8.454 for 5 years, which kept the compensation at a first, a second and third. The way the compensation is calculated is the AAV over 5 years. So if a team offered Dubois $10M for 6 years, the calculation would be $60M/5 = $12M AAV. That would get Columbus 4 picks.
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Jan. 23, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.
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Aho was offered $8.454 for 5 years, which kept the compensation at a first, a second and third. The way the compensation is calculated is the AAV over 5 years. So if a team offered Dubois $10M for 6 years, the calculation would be $60M/5 = $12M AAV. That would get Columbus 4 picks.


While it may give the jackets pause I still think they’ll match it but at the end of the day who knows if any team matches that.
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