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Leafs And Habs Mega Bat h7 Crazy Trade

Created by: RTommy
Initial Creation Date: Jan 23, 2020
Published: Jan 23 at 8:57 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Bennett, Sam
CGY
  1. Barrie, Tyson
TOR
  1. Weber, Shea ($1,200,000 retained)
  2. Petry, Jeff
  3. Poehling, Ryan
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Johnsson, Andreas
  4. Liljegren, Timothy
  5. Ceci, Cody
  6. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
MTL
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,379,286$0$920,000$120,714
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
CGY
Bennett, Sam
$2,550,000
RW, C, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
MTL
Weber, Shea
$6,657,143
RD
UFA - 7
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1

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Jan 23 at 8:59
#1
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Weber isn't getting traded and if ever he does, it won't be for much, his contract is garbage.
Jan 23 at 9:07
#2
Boris Bagel
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Leafs add Marner, Habs add Tatar
Jan 23 at 9:11
#3
Habs69
Joined: Nov 2019
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No chance MTL does this
Jan 23 at 9:19
#4
Subbanator
Joined: Jul 2017
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Montreal passes on this one.

Weber = Kapenen , Liligren, 1st
Petry = Johnsson Kerfoot and Ceci

Leafs get Poehling and a 2nd for free
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Jan 23 at 9:36
#5
The evil stats guy
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
Montreal passes on this one.

Weber = Kapenen , Liligren, 1st
Petry = Johnsson Kerfoot and Ceci

Leafs get Poehling and a 2nd for free


Weber is worth a touch above nothing. That's what happens when you have a good player on a **** contract
Jan 23 at 9:38
#6
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
Montreal passes on this one.

Weber = Kapenen , Liligren, 1st
Petry = Johnsson Kerfoot and Ceci

Leafs get Poehling and a 2nd for free


Leafs hang up the moment Weber is mentioned.

Weber's Contract = nothing, its terrible, no one should want anything to do with that. Keep your bad ideas to yourselves.
Jan 23 at 9:41
#7
Habs69
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 49
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Leafs hang up the moment Weber is mentioned.

Weber's Contract = nothing, its terrible, no one should want anything to do with that. Keep your bad ideas to yourselves.


Good thing the leafs won't have to deal with being offered Weber because he's not going anywhere, especially not to the leafs. Especially with that cap hell Dubas has got you into
Jan 23 at 9:41
#8
arky
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,024
Likes: 477
Ok. Quick question.

Because you traded your 2021 1st to Montreal and it was a conditional pickdue to Marleau trade. If Leafs find a way to miss playoffs this year, and that pick becomes Alexis Lafriene are you good with that? Because if you trade 2021 and do miss the playoffs you would have to give Carolina 2020 pick automatically due to conditions of the trade that sent Marleau to Carolina.
Jan 23 at 9:53
#9
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Quoting: Habs69
Good thing the leafs won't have to deal with being offered Weber because he's not going anywhere, especially not to the leafs. Especially with that cap hell Dubas has got you into


You are going to have 20 million in wasted cap space in the very near future when you have declining Weber and Price with many years of term left. I don't think Montreal has any room to talk about cap space. TO is up against the cap after paying star players star player money. That isn't a problem.
Jan 23 at 10:04
#10
Habs69
Joined: Nov 2019
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
You are going to have 20 million in wasted cap space in the very near future when you have declining Weber and Price with many years of term left. I don't think Montreal has any room to talk about cap space. TO is up against the cap after paying star players star player money. That isn't a problem.


You don't see a problem with having that much money locked into three forwards. If you wanna see your problem look at your d-core and the fact that you are going to miss the playoff with Matthews, Marner and Tavares.
Jan 23 at 10:07
#11
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
You are going to have 20 million in wasted cap space in the very near future when you have declining Weber and Price with many years of term left. I don't think Montreal has any room to talk about cap space. TO is up against the cap after paying star players star player money. That isn't a problem.


I’d be shocked and impressed if he rode out those final 3 years of his contract.
Jan 23 at 10:11
#12
Habs69
Joined: Nov 2019
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Quoting: Weezley
I’d be shocked and impressed if he rode out those final 3 years of his contract.


And that point Nashville will trade back for him before he retires, because if he retires with Montreal the cap penalty to Nashville would be absurd.
Jan 23 at 10:11
#13
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Quoting: Habs69
You don't see a problem with having that much money locked into three forwards. If you wanna see your problem look at your d-core and the fact that you are going to miss the playoff with Matthews, Marner and Tavares.


Going to miss the playoffs. Just a bitter Habs fan.

To isn't going to lose the rest of their games and Florida, Tampa, Columbus and Philly aren't going to win the rest of their games. Just hot takes, overreactions and fan angst. That is all this is, just nonsense. Enjoy watching the Habs be exactly what they are and have been for the past 3 seasons, ever year for the next decade. A mediocre team that on a good year may challenge for a playoff spot, and on the other years not be bad enough to get enough high end talent to be good enough.
Jan 23 at 10:13
#14
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Quoting: Weezley
I’d be shocked and impressed if he rode out those final 3 years of his contract.


Well according to every habs fan on here, he's the greatest man alive and do you think he's going to feel good about completely blowing up the Predators? Because that is what he will do by retiring. I bet he'll not retire and just ride the pine for his remaining years of his career. Or be a depth defender at 8 million. You won't be able to trade that contract so your only hope is he gets hurt and can go to LTIR. If not, you are running a huge risk.
Jan 23 at 10:14
#15
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Quoting: Habs69
You don't see a problem with having that much money locked into three forwards. If you wanna see your problem look at your d-core and the fact that you are going to miss the playoff with Matthews, Marner and Tavares.


I think his point is that “cap hell” isn’t necessarily a huge problem. They aren’t immovable assets.

Weber on the other hand has a less than ideal contract. You do get an amazing player but who wants to foot the recapture penalties when those final years approach? Not many.
Jan 23 at 10:16
#16
Habs69
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Quoting: Weezley
I think his point is that “cap hell” isn’t necessarily a huge problem. They aren’t immovable assets.

Weber on the other hand has a less than ideal contract. You do get an amazing player but who wants to foot the recapture penalties when those final years approach? Not many.


The only team that has to worry about the recapture penalties is Nashville.
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Jan 23 at 10:18
#17
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Quoting: Habs69
The only team that has to worry about the recapture penalties is Nashville.


How much does Montrealpay if he were to be traded next year?
Jan 23 at 10:27
#18
Habs69
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Quoting: Weezley
How much does Montrealpay if he were to be traded next year?


Nothing, if he retires before his contract is over with any team other than Nashville, Nashville would be hit with the recapture penalties. Just look at Roberto Luongo to a lesser extent, Vancouver is being punished cap wise right now
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Jan 23 at 10:32
#19
Subbanator
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Quoting: Random2152
Weber is worth a touch above nothing. That's what happens when you have a good player on a **** contract


Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Leafs hang up the moment Weber is mentioned.

Weber's Contract = nothing, its terrible, no one should want anything to do with that. Keep your bad ideas to yourselves.


Honestly just sound like bias Leafs fans. Weber is in Norris conversations this year and is exactly the player Toronto needs, a player teams hate playing against.

His contract is an arguement that I have heard endlessly and honestly, its ridiculously over exaggerated.

He gets hurt, goes on LTIR and costs nothing

He wants to retire? Send him to Nashville for a kings ransome.

Declines in play? Trade him to the cheap owner wanting to reach the cap floor but only pay $1 million bucks.

Until any of those things happen though you get a stud top 4 dmen with 40+ points a year, one of the best leaders in the game and a dman who can teach your young score.

So ya, right now if Toronto wanted Weber it would be for a premium.

And it would be a move that would make Toronto cup favorites for the duration of Marners and Mathews tenure as Leafs until they leave in free agency at the end of thier current contracts.
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Jan 23 at 10:40
#20
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Edited Jan 23 at 10:53
Quoting: Habs69
Nothing, if he retires before his contract is over with any team other than Nashville, Nashville would be hit with the recapture penalties. Just look at Roberto Luongo to a lesser extent, Vancouver is being punished cap wise right now


Ah, that’s right! Forgot about that. No recap penalties then, just the cap hit? Or nah?
Jan 23 at 10:43
#21
Habs69
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
Honestly just sound like bias Leafs fans. Weber is in Norris conversations this year and is exactly the player Toronto needs, a player teams hate playing against.

His contract is an arguement that I have heard endlessly and honestly, its ridiculously over exaggerated.

He gets hurt, goes on LTIR and costs nothing

He wants to retire? Send him to Nashville for a kings ransome.

Declines in play? Trade him to the cheap owner wanting to reach the cap floor but only pay $1 million bucks.

Until any of those things happen though you get a stud top 4 dmen with 40+ points a year, one of the best leaders in the game and a dman who can teach your young score.

So ya, right now if Toronto wanted Weber it would be for a premium.

And it would be a move that would make Toronto cup favorites for the duration of Marners and Mathews tenure as Leafs until they leave in free agency at the end of thier current contracts.


Completely agree, I don't understand why people seem to think if the only way MTL could trade Weber is for scraps. He still has lots of value
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Jan 23 at 10:55
#22
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
Honestly just sound like bias Leafs fans. Weber is in Norris conversations this year and is exactly the player Toronto needs, a player teams hate playing against.

His contract is an arguement that I have heard endlessly and honestly, its ridiculously over exaggerated.

He gets hurt, goes on LTIR and costs nothing

He wants to retire? Send him to Nashville for a kings ransome.

Declines in play? Trade him to the cheap owner wanting to reach the cap floor but only pay $1 million bucks.

Until any of those things happen though you get a stud top 4 dmen with 40+ points a year, one of the best leaders in the game and a dman who can teach your young score.

So ya, right now if Toronto wanted Weber it would be for a premium.

And it would be a move that would make Toronto cup favorites for the duration of Marners and Mathews tenure as Leafs until they leave in free agency at the end of thier current contracts.


No just a forward thinking one. It doesn't matter how good of a November Weber had, his contract is garbage and will be a huge issue down the line, there is no way around that. And that makes him a non target for anyone. It just can't be handled. Getting Weber means, one of the big 4 up front would have to be traded as a cap dump, or Rielly couldn't be resigned, or Sandin in 3 years or Andersen next year. Its just an insurmountable cap issue.

There is nothing else to say about it. Weber's contract is terrible and there is no way to fit it. We know without a doubt its going to be a problem, end of the discussion.
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Jan 23 at 10:58
#23
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Quoting: Habs69
Completely agree, I don't understand why people seem to think if the only way MTL could trade Weber is for scraps. He still has lots of value


Only if you look at him from a right now perspective. Will he be as good next year? Not likely, how about in 2 years? Or 3 years? He has 5 more years of term after this one and is already 34. He's going to decline, there is no way around it and he won't be worth his contract. That makes him untradeable. Price is in a similar boat, as is Bob in Florida. We all know players are going to decline in their 30's and when they have massive cap hits and massive term, it cuts their value to almost nothing. Weber for any success he is having this season, can't get traded to TO. They would have to move out a high price young player who provides extremely more value than Weber. End of discussion.
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Jan 23 at 11:01
#24
Habs69
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Only if you look at him from a right now perspective. Will he be as good next year? Not likely, how about in 2 years? Or 3 years? He has 5 more years of term after this one and is already 34. He's going to decline, there is no way around it and he won't be worth his contract. That makes him untradeable. Price is in a similar boat, as is Bob in Florida. We all know players are going to decline in their 30's and when they have massive cap hits and massive term, it cuts their value to almost nothing. Weber for any success he is having this season, can't get traded to TO. They would have to move out a high price young player who provides extremely more value than Weber. End of discussion.


Good thing we don't want to trade him to TO, never said I did. Pretty sure this is a leafs thread suggesting trading for Weber, don't think you'll find a Habs fan that wants to trade him to the leafs.
Jan 23 at 11:16
#25
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Quoting: Habs69
Good thing we don't want to trade him to TO, never said I did. Pretty sure this is a leafs thread suggesting trading for Weber, don't think you'll find a Habs fan that wants to trade him to the leafs.


If it is, the guy is an idiot. Weber isn't going to be traded and very soon, you guys that defend him all the time will be saying the same thing. He's playing great, (although he has had a big mid season swing every year you've had him and then he tails off), but it won't last.
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