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Realistic Trades

Created by: DrumMan44
Initial Creation Date: Jan 21, 2020
Published: Jan 23 at 11:11 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
This assumes Rielly is on LTIR until the playoffs.

Playoff D Pairings:
Rielly - Dumba
Muzzin - Barrie
Sandin - Dermott

is about a solid Top 6 as the Leafs have had in years
Trades
TOR
  1. Crawford, Corey ($3,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Leafs fans, you need a better backup. Freddie is good but can't handle the load himself. Crawford is 15 - 7- 4 with a .910 save percentage. Beats the pants out of Hutch and gives Andersen's latest stats a run for their money.
CHI
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
Additional Details:
2020 3rd turns into 2021 2nd rounder if Toronto re-signs Crawford
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
MIN
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,058,810$0$152,500$1,441,190
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$842,500
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
CHI
Crawford, Corey
$3,000,000
G
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3

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Jan 23 at 11:12
#1
The CEO of reported
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Chicago says no, and a hell of an overpay for Minnesota
Jan 23 at 11:14
#2
gregb569
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Dumba negotiations start with Nylander
Jan 23 at 11:18
#3
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Quoting: gregb569
Dumba negotiations start with Nylander


No it doesn't. Dumba isn't a top pair defender while Nylander is 100% a top line forward with his best years still ahead of him. Dumba is half of Rielly.

Maybe not half but he's a fair distance behind him.
Jan 23 at 11:22
#4
bigZ
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Quoting: Dach
Chicago says no, and a hell of an overpay for Minnesota


Thats an overpay for dumba? Okay i think your chicago bias is showing bud
Jan 23 at 11:26
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Quoting: bigZ98
Thats an overpay for dumba? Okay i think your chicago bias is showing bud


How am I being biased for a TOR-MIN trade

Liljegren is going to be a top defenseman in the league come a few years
Johnsson can arguably be a first line winger in 2 years
Plus a first

For a defenseman that’s having a down year

?? Explain
Jan 23 at 11:45
#6
Subbanator
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Quoting: Dach
How am I being biased for a TOR-MIN trade

Liljegren is going to be a top defenseman in the league come a few years
Johnsson can arguably be a first line winger in 2 years
Plus a first

For a defenseman that’s having a down year

?? Explain


That's a stretch on both prospects. You're either believing the TSN hype train or love the Leafs. Liligren is going to be a top 4 guy but not elite, and Johnsson is a mid 6 forward, with a late first.

I don't think its ridiculously far off because Dumba is having a down year but Guerin shouldn't be selling g him at a low point.
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Jan 23 at 11:49
#7
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
That's a stretch on both prospects. You're either believing the TSN hype train or love the Leafs. Liligren is going to be a top 4 guy but not elite, and Johnsson is a mid 6 forward, with a late first.

I don't think its ridiculously far off because Dumba is having a down year but Guerin shouldn't be selling g him at a low point.


Agreed but that’s too much imo
Jan 23 at 11:50
#8
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
That's a stretch on both prospects. You're either believing the TSN hype train or love the Leafs. Liligren is going to be a top 4 guy but not elite, and Johnsson is a mid 6 forward, with a late first.

I don't think its ridiculously far off because Dumba is having a down year but Guerin shouldn't be selling g him at a low point.


Especially if they’re gonna go into a rebuild
Jan 23 at 11:53
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Quoting: Dach
How am I being biased for a TOR-MIN trade

Liljegren is going to be a top defenseman in the league come a few years
Johnsson can arguably be a first line winger in 2 years
Plus a first

For a defenseman that’s having a down year

?? Explain


Not sure who needs to do the explaining here? Johnsson, 5 ft 10, 25 years old, has 6 goals so far this year on the top scoring team in the league, and that equates to a first line winger? The first is not even for this upcoming year. Liljegren certainly looks legit, but has played 1 game in the NHL. Dumba may be having a down year, but he has previously proven in past year to have what it takes to be top 2 defenseman. Somehow proving yourself in previou years and having a down year this year carries less value than smallish players who have never proven to be top line players in the NHL.
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Jan 23 at 12:03
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bigZ
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Quoting: gmurrayt
Not sure who needs to do the explaining here? Johnsson, 5 ft 10, 25 years old, has 6 goals so far this year on the top scoring team in the league, and that equates to a first line winger? The first is not even for this upcoming year. Liljegren certainly looks legit, but has played 1 game in the NHL. Dumba may be having a down year, but he has previously proven in past year to have what it takes to be top 2 defenseman. Somehow proving yourself in previou years and having a down year this year carries less value than smallish players who have never proven to be top line players in the NHL.


Thanks, saved me the trouble
Jan 23 at 12:41
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Quoting: gmurrayt
Not sure who needs to do the explaining here? Johnsson, 5 ft 10, 25 years old, has 6 goals so far this year on the top scoring team in the league, and that equates to a first line winger? The first is not even for this upcoming year. Liljegren certainly looks legit, but has played 1 game in the NHL. Dumba may be having a down year, but he has previously proven in past year to have what it takes to be top 2 defenseman. Somehow proving yourself in previou years and having a down year this year carries less value than smallish players who have never proven to be top line players in the NHL.


Key word “arguably”

I’m not saying johnsson is proven yet but he has lots of potential
Jan 23 at 3:26
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Drumman44
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Edited Jan 23 at 3:35
So considering Leafs fans think the Dumba trade is an overpay and the Minnesota voices say it's not enough, I'd say I am roughly in the ballpark.

Dumba is a good player but if the Wild are going to rebuild, then they get 3 nice pieces out of him.

If Toronto is going to pony up for a top pairing RHD with Term, this is probably the best package they can muster without touching Rielly, Sandin, or the Big 4 forwards.
 
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