Forums/Armchair-GM

Steven Burch twitter trade idea MIN

Created by: leafsFan1996
Initial Creation Date: Jan 23, 2020
Published: Jan 23 at 11:56 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
https://twitter.com/SteveBurtch/status/1220381286000447490

shortens their window but objectively makes them better defensively without losing much offence

these will be the lines I'd pick for the playoffs when everyone is healthy.

I added a Ceci trade to make this work (according to 31 thoughts teams value Ceci so i didn't consider him a negative asset)

Was going to make a back-up goalie trade but Dreger told me it would cost Marner and that might not even get it done
Trades
TOR
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. Brodin, Jonas
Additional Details:
Minnisota gets younger and an offesive punch
MIN
  1. Rielly, Morgan
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
Additional Details:
Toronto get the better players right now and improve defensively
TOR
  1. 2021 5th round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Ceci, Cody
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
WPG
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,882,977$0$70,000-$382,977

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
MIN
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
$4,166,667
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Marner, M.
Tavares, J.
Nylander, W.
Matthews, A.
Barrie, T.
Power Play 2
Zucker, J.
Kerfoot, A.
Spezza, J.
Johnsson, A.
Sandin, R.
Penalty Kill 1
Mikheyev, I.
Marner, M.
Muzzin, J.
Holl, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Engvall, P.
Hyman, Z.
Brodin, J.
Dermott, T.

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Jan 23 at 11:58
#1
Chiggy
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 839
Likes: 248
Edited Jan 23 at 12:54
Minnesota is getting significantly worse.

Rielly is pretty overrated and isn’t good defensively. Brodin is the opposite.
Jan 23 at 12:03
#2
Danes1294
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 601
Likes: 180
TOR declines. Rather easily.
Jamiepo liked this.
Jan 23 at 12:27
#3
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,770
Likes: 3,925
Any Minnesota fan that doesn't say, 10000% yes is a delusional homer that can't be taken seriously. What a joke of an era we live in. Rielly goes from being 5th in Norris votes and now has no value.

Rielly is light years more valuable than Brodin and Kapanen has more value than Zucker who's older, slower and isn't producing much more, despite getting way more opportunities. This is just a travesty.
EGM and Jamiepo liked this.
Jan 23 at 12:43
#4
get off my lawn...
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12,246
Likes: 6,195
Quoting: Chigurrhh
Minnesota is getting significantly worse.

Rielly is pretty overrated and isn’t good defensively. Brodie is the opposite.


Please read this...
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Any Minnesota fan that doesn't say, 10000% yes is a delusional homer that can't be taken seriously. What a joke of an era we live in. Rielly goes from being 5th in Norris votes and now has no value.

Rielly is light years more valuable than Brodin and Kapanen has more value than Zucker who's older, slower and isn't producing much more, despite getting way more opportunities. This is just a travesty.


Rielly is very underrated defensively. He is certainly an ofd but plays a hard defensive game as well.
Jan 23 at 12:50
#5
Marner Stan Account
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 451
Quoting: Chigurrhh
Minnesota is getting significantly worse.

Rielly is pretty overrated and isn’t good defensively. Brodie is the opposite.


Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Any Minnesota fan that doesn't say, 10000% yes is a delusional homer that can't be taken seriously. What a joke of an era we live in. Rielly goes from being 5th in Norris votes and now has no value.

Rielly is light years more valuable than Brodin and Kapanen has more value than Zucker who's older, slower and isn't producing much more, despite getting way more opportunities. This is just a travesty.


Quoting: Jamiepo
Please read this...

Rielly is very underrated defensively. He is certainly an ofd but plays a hard defensive game as well.


Rielly is a very good defenseman. He’s having a tough season, but we have to keep in mind he’s been playing with an undisclosed injury plus he’s had to play alongside Barrie, a guy who shows no commitment to playing a responsible defensive game at all. Last season alongside the steady Hainsey, he was excellent. Hopefully he will be rested and back to his best.
Jamiepo liked this.
Jan 23 at 12:50
#6
get off my lawn...
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12,246
Likes: 6,195
Quote:
Was going to make a back-up goalie trade but Dreger told me it would cost Marner and that might not even get it done


Best thing I have read today!!!
Jan 23 at 12:52
#7
Chiggy
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 839
Likes: 248
Quoting: Jamiepo
Please read this...

Rielly is very underrated defensively. He is certainly an ofd but plays a hard defensive game as well.




The numbers absolutely do not support this. He's extremely overrated by leaf fans and Toronto media. I don't care how many Norris votes he gets.
Pmwalker liked this.
Jan 23 at 12:52
#8
get off my lawn...
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12,246
Likes: 6,195
Quoting: Chigurrhh
The numbers absolutely do not support this. He's extremely overrated by leaf fans and Toronto media. I don't care how many Norris votes he gets.


Stick your head in the sand all you want.
Danes1294 liked this.
Jan 23 at 12:53
#9
Chiggy
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 839
Likes: 248
Quoting: Jamiepo
Stick your head in the sand all you want.


Literally everyone saying Minnesota should 1000% accept and that Reilly is actually really good are Leaf fans. You guys are delusional.
Pmwalker liked this.
Jan 23 at 12:59
#10
Marner Stan Account
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 451
Quoting: Chigurrhh
The numbers absolutely do not support this. He's extremely overrated by leaf fans and Toronto media. I don't care how many Norris votes he gets.


What stats are you basing him off? The same ones that suggest Mitch Marner is overrated and a below replacement level player?
Jan 23 at 1:03
#11
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,770
Likes: 3,925
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Rielly is a very good defenseman. He’s having a tough season, but we have to keep in mind he’s been playing with an undisclosed injury plus he’s had to play alongside Barrie, a guy who shows no commitment to playing a responsible defensive game at all. Last season alongside the steady Hainsey, he was excellent. Hopefully he will be rested and back to his best.


Most of that is incorrect.

Rielly wasn't his usual self, due to injury yes. However, Barrie has been the best partner he's had possibly in his career. Barrie has been much better under Keefe and since he was put with Rielly. Sure he takes chances but that does more positive than harm. Ceci was a terrible partner and Hainsey wasn't much better. Rielly is terrific and if ever he can get a top notch partner, we'd really see how great he is.
Jan 23 at 1:04
#12
Chiggy
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 839
Likes: 248
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
What stats are you basing him off? The same ones that suggest Mitch Marner is overrated and a below replacement level player?


No one says Mitch Marner is a below replacement level player. You are just making that up. But it's been pretty clear for years that Rielly is average or below average defensively. This year is a down year across the board but it's always been the case.

People who act like he's elite are just looking at point totals and secondary assists.
Jan 23 at 1:05
#13
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,770
Likes: 3,925
Quoting: Chigurrhh
The numbers absolutely do not support this. He's extremely overrated by leaf fans and Toronto media. I don't care how many Norris votes he gets.


The numbers in your head doesn't mean anything. I would be amazed if anyone else on the planet is going to agree with you on this. Many may say Rielly is overrated, they will also tell you they hate the leafs more than they like their own team. But to find others who think Brodin is better than Rielly, that just won't happen.
Jan 23 at 1:07
#14
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,770
Likes: 3,925
Quoting: Chigurrhh
No one says Mitch Marner is a below replacement level player. You are just making that up. But it's been pretty clear for years that Rielly is average or below average defensively. This year is a down year across the board but it's always been the case.

People who act like he's elite are just looking at point totals and secondary assists.


Oh, have you looked into how many secondary assists he has? Or like everything in this thread, are you just angrily yelling nonsense at your screen while have zero tangible evidence to support anything you are saying. He did lead the NHL in goals from a defenceman last year and 5v5 goals as well. Yeah he is more offensive than defensive, but he's also never had a good partner. Not once. You're just dust bud.
Jan 23 at 1:07
#15
get off my lawn...
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12,246
Likes: 6,195
Quoting: Chigurrhh
Literally everyone saying Minnesota should 1000% accept and that Reilly is actually really good are Leaf fans. You guys are delusional.


Of course... mikeythepensfan is certainly a leafs fan the user name says it all. If more people bother to comment they would probably shoot this down to.
Jan 23 at 1:35
#16
Marner Stan Account
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 451
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Most of that is incorrect.

Rielly wasn't his usual self, due to injury yes. However, Barrie has been the best partner he's had possibly in his career. Barrie has been much better under Keefe and since he was put with Rielly. Sure he takes chances but that does more positive than harm. Ceci was a terrible partner and Hainsey wasn't much better. Rielly is terrific and if ever he can get a top notch partner, we'd really see how great he is.


I agree that Barrie has played better alongside Rielly, but they still haven’t been great. I think Rielly would do well if Leafs traded for Tanev.
Jan 23 at 1:37
#17
Marner Stan Account
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 451
Quoting: Jamiepo
Of course... mikeythepensfan is certainly a leafs fan the user name says it all. If more people bother to comment they would probably shoot this down to.


I live in Toronto so I get to see Rielly in TV. Last season he was dynamic at both ends of the ice, so he definitely deserved Norris votes.
Jan 23 at 1:38
#18
Pmwalker
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 768
Likes: 244
The false narrative that Leafs fans have created regarding Rielly defensively has to stop. He’s an excellent offensive defender no doubt but........he’s a train wreck in his own end and it’s easy to see when you watch the team play. Oh and 5th in Norris voting means nothing as most of us know the Norris trophy is a joke and has been for ages.
Chigurrhh and AFOX10900 liked this.
Jan 23 at 1:43
#19
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,770
Likes: 3,925
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
I agree that Barrie has played better alongside Rielly, but they still haven’t been great. I think Rielly would do well if Leafs traded for Tanev.


I do think Tanev would be a great partner for Rielly.
Jan 23 at 1:46
#20
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,770
Likes: 3,925
Quoting: Pmwalker
The false narrative that Leafs fans have created regarding Rielly defensively has to stop. He’s an excellent offensive defender no doubt but........he’s a train wreck in his own end and it’s easy to see when you watch the team play. Oh and 5th in Norris voting means nothing as most of us know the Norris trophy is a joke and has been for ages.


That is simply incorrect. People on here don't know how hockey is played. To have great defensive numbers, you need a full 5 man unit working cohesively in their own zone. TO hasn't and still doesn't do this consistently, and then they get scored on and idiots say its one guys fault. Learn how things work before piping off.
Jamiepo liked this.
Jan 23 at 1:57
#21
Chiggy
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 839
Likes: 248
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
That is simply incorrect. People on here don't know how hockey is played. To have great defensive numbers, you need a full 5 man unit working cohesively in their own zone. TO hasn't and still doesn't do this consistently, and then they get scored on and idiots say its one guys fault. Learn how things work before piping off.


His isolated defensive impact is not good. Why can't you just accept that he's not got in his own end? He's not a good one-on-one defender. His strengths are keeping the puck out of his own end.
Pmwalker, leafsFan1996, AFOX10900 and 1 other person liked this.
Jan 23 at 2:06
#22
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,770
Likes: 3,925
Quoting: Chigurrhh
His isolated defensive impact is not good. Why can't you just accept that he's not got in his own end? He's not a good one-on-one defender. His strengths are keeping the puck out of his own end.


Cool story, there is no point in discussing anything with you.
Jan 23 at 2:07
#23
Chiggy
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 839
Likes: 248
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Cool story, there is no point in discussing anything with you.


Stop being a fanboy.
Jan 23 at 2:14
#24
Pmwalker
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 768
Likes: 244
There’s no point in arguing with that guy. He thinks he’s always right and isn’t capable of rational discussion. Probably why I have him ignored.
Jan 23 at 2:54
#25
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 3,496
Likes: 1,167
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
That is simply incorrect. People on here don't know how hockey is played. To have great defensive numbers, you need a full 5 man unit working cohesively in their own zone. TO hasn't and still doesn't do this consistently, and then they get scored on and idiots say its one guys fault. Learn how things work before piping off.


That's really not how hockey works lol, somehow guys like Marcus Foligno are able to put up great defensive numbers while surrounded by guys with bad-average defensive numbers, look at Edmonton, surprisingly, most of their team is about average defenseively, but their "big three" (offensively at least) are all terrible defensively, while their surrounded by a bunch of average, they can individually perform way worse than all of their teammates but not drag them down to their level, or be brought up to their teammates level
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Remove Option
Submit Poll