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Zucc and Zuck

Created by: MNBassman
Initial Creation Date: Jan 23, 2020
Published: Jan 23 at 2:24 pm
Team: 2019-20 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
Trades can be at the TDL or this summer.
I’m very curious if there is a team out there who would take Zuccarello (and his contract) if the Wild retain $1m per.
Trades
MIN
  1. Demko, Thatcher
  2. Eriksson, Loui
  3. Virtanen, Jake
VAN
  1. Zuccarello, Mats ($1,000,000 retained)
  2. Donato, Ryan
  3. Soucy, Carson
Additional Details:
I actually think this is genius...IF the needs of the Nucks are being met, which I think they are... What says you?
MIN
  1. Poulin, Samuel
  2. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. 2020 4th round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Nylander, William
Additional Details:
It’s the trade scenario that never dies...
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Foligno, Marcus
Additional Details:
Dumba is picking up his game!
Summertime deal.
Buyouts
  • Tyler Ennis: $1,216,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Mats Zuccarello: $1,000,000 (16.67%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MIN
PIT
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2021
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$73,532,621$0$1,100,000$7,967,379
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
$3,000,000
LW
RFA - 2
MIN
Parise, Zach
$7,538,461
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Staal, Eric
$3,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
VAN
Virtanen, Jake
$1,250,000
RW
RFA - 1
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
$916,666
LW
RFA - 1
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
$1,487,500
C
RFA - 2
MIN
Kunin, Luke
$925,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
$6,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
MIN
Koivu, Mikko
$5,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
$1,900,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MIN
Rask, Victor
$4,000,000
C
UFA - 3
PIT
Poulin, Samuel
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MIN
Suter, Ryan
$7,538,461
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
$5,187,500
RD
NMC
UFA - 1
VAN
Demko, Thatcher
$1,050,000
G
RFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
$4,166,667
LD
UFA - 2
MIN
Pateryn, Greg
$2,250,000
RD
UFA - 2
MIN
Dubnyk, Devan
$4,333,333
G
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Seeler, Nick
$725,000
LD
UFA - 2
MIN
Hunt, Brad
$700,000
RD
UFA - 2
MIN
Stalock, Alex
$785,000
G
UFA - 3

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Jan 23 at 2:27
#1
Joined: Jun 2017
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Zuccarello probably wouldn't waive his NMC...

Also, sounds like Leafs aren't moving Nylander so I'm really hoping we could entice Carolina to give us Necas. Doubt it happens but it's a dream of mine lol
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Jan 23 at 2:32
#2
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Poulin, 1st for Zucker, 4th

Counter

Bjugstad, 1st for Zucker w/$1M retention, 4th

There is a reason that there are so many rumors about Zucker getting traded out of Minnesota, and it's not because he is a keeper.
Jan 23 at 2:37
#3
Joined: Jun 2017
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Quoting: Yojimbo
Poulin, 1st for Zucker, 4th

Counter

Bjugstad, 1st for Zucker w/$1M retention, 4th

There is a reason that there are so many rumors about Zucker getting traded out of Minnesota, and it's not because he is a keeper.


The reason is because he's 28 (doesn't fit the getting younger idea), our most movable winger (Fiala is young, Zucc and Parise aren't getting traded), and we have a star Russian winger that needs a place in the top 6 next year. It's not because of Zucker's play, the guy is on pace for 29 goals this season for goodness sake. He was in Fenton's dog house for no reason last year so that's why there have been so many rumors about him.
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Jan 23 at 2:41
#4
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 214
Likes: 84
Quoting: Yojimbo
Poulin, 1st for Zucker, 4th

Counter

Bjugstad, 1st for Zucker w/$1M retention, 4th

There is a reason that there are so many rumors about Zucker getting traded out of Minnesota, and it's not because he is a keeper.


Lol what Jason Zucker is very good for what his contract is and has term. He's constantly getting traded because the Wild had a dumb GM, are being forced into a rebuild and he's one of like three players on that team who have any value. Doesn't help that he plays at a position that needs to be cleared for Kaprizov.
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Jan 23 at 2:43
#5
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 4,764
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Quoting: TheEarthmaster
Lol what Jason Zucker is very good for what his contract is and has term. He's constantly getting traded because the Wild had a dumb GM, are being forced into a rebuild and he's one of like three players on that team who have any value. Doesn't help that he plays at a position that needs to be cleared for Kaprizov.


Pittsburgh fans act like he's a 3rd line scrub that can't score more than 20 goals. The guy's a great top 6 winger, he should easily score over 30 next to Sid.
Jan 23 at 2:45
#6
KFTW
Joined: Jul 2018
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Quoting: TanSor
Zuccarello probably wouldn't waive his NMC...

Also, sounds like Leafs aren't moving Nylander so I'm really hoping we could entice Carolina to give us Necas. Doubt it happens but it's a dream of mine lol


Im pretty happy you guys are going to get your franchise centre this draft. Idk why but my gut feeling you guys end up with Rossi
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Jan 23 at 2:51
#7
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Quoting: csick
Im pretty happy you guys are going to get your franchise centre this draft. Idk why but my gut feeling you guys end up with Rossi


I'd love Rossi. I'd honestly be happy with anyone but Lundell (we have too many defnse-first centers). You hoping for Byfield?
Jan 23 at 2:52
#8
KFTW
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Quoting: TanSor
I'd love Rossi. I'd honestly be happy with anyone but Lundell (we have too many defnse-first centers). You hoping for Byfield?


tbh im just hoping for a top 3 and top 8 pick. One of Laf, Byfield, Stutzle and then one of Rossi, Drysdale, Raymond, Holtz.
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Jan 23 at 2:57
#9
Joined: Apr 2018
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Quoting: TheEarthmaster
Lol what Jason Zucker is very good for what his contract is and has term. He's constantly getting traded because the Wild had a dumb GM, are being forced into a rebuild and he's one of like three players on that team who have any value. Doesn't help that he plays at a position that needs to be cleared for Kaprizov.


If you are rebuilding your don't get rid of a supposedly good 28 year old on a good contract. You get rid of old guys and bad contracts.
Clearing a spot for Kaprizov is grasping at straws. We have to get rid of this great player on a great contract for a guy that never played one second of North American hockey... yeah... that's it... that's the reason. There are 4 top-6 wing slots and 8 wing slots overall, and that doesn't take injuries into account. Kaprizov is an excuse, not an explanation.
Jan 23 at 2:59
#10
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MNBassman
Joined: May 2015
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Quoting: Yojimbo
If you are rebuilding your don't get rid of a supposedly good 28 year old on a good contract. You get rid of old guys and bad contracts.
Clearing a spot for Kaprizov is grasping at straws. We have to get rid of this great player on a great contract for a guy that never played one second of North American hockey... yeah... that's it... that's the reason. There are 4 top-6 wing slots and 8 wing slots overall, and that doesn't take injuries into account. Kaprizov is an excuse, not an explanation.


You have no idea what you are talking about! Please leave and let the informed people continue their conversation!
Jan 23 at 3:02
#11
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MNBassman
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Quoting: TanSor
Zuccarello probably wouldn't waive his NMC...

Also, sounds like Leafs aren't moving Nylander so I'm really hoping we could entice Carolina to give us Necas. Doubt it happens but it's a dream of mine lol


I’ve got to believe he would consider waiving to go to a better team...why wouldn’t he?

As for Nylander, that’s the Leafs fans talking...I’m pretty confident Dubas would have to (at least) think about this...

Do you think Necas could stick at center?
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Jan 23 at 3:06
#12
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Quoting: MNBassman
You have no idea what you are talking about! Please leave and let the informed people continue their conversation!


Yeah, logic hurts your position doesn't it. It stinks when it isn't just a bunch of homer yes-men all just blindly agreeing with one another.

I did counter with Bjugstad, 1st for Zucker w/$1M retention, 4th
Jan 23 at 3:16
#13
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Quoting: MNBassman
I e got to believe he would consider waiving to go to a better team...why wouldn’t he?

As for Nylander, that’s the Leafs fans talking...I’m pretty confident Dubas would have to think about this...

Do you think Necas could stick at center?


I mean if Zuccarello is willing to waive and he didn't have negative value I'd be more than fine moving him. I really like the guy but we need to get younger.

True about Nylander. Apparently Toronto is really interested in Brodin, maybe they have interest in Dumba as well?

I think he could. He was drafted as a center, after all. Carolina just has a major surplus at center which is why I think he's primarily played wing there.
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Jan 23 at 3:41
#14
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Quoting: TanSor
Pittsburgh fans act like he's a 3rd line scrub that can't score more than 20 goals. The guy's a great top 6 winger, he should easily score over 30 next to Sid.


This is always the argument other teams make in trading with the penguins. So and So would score 30 goals next to Sid.......
It's like they forget reality. Sid already has a long term 40 goal LW winger.

I think these constant trade rumors are the penguins helping MIN.
One GM to another. To help drive the price up on Zucker for whoever he does get traded to, if he does get traded.
But the penguins are really looking for a RW with term. They are loaded at LW. Jake, McCann, Kahun, ZAR. that's one of the most solid 4 LW combos in the whole league. Those guys are all long term.
They aren't moving those guys off the LW either Even though some people have a fantasy of McCann playing center long term. They really want to utilize his great shot and let him be a shooter on the wing much like Jake. While using his speed and solid defensive skills paired with Malkin, much like Rust. Playing a N/S game which suits all 3 of those players.. They want to turn McCann into a 30+ goal scorer. Zucker doesn't play nearly as well on his RW as his LW, like most players. So I don't really see them going out there way on this.
Jan 23 at 4:49
#15
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Edited Jan 23 at 4:55
Quoting: Yojimbo
If you are rebuilding your don't get rid of a supposedly good 28 year old on a good contract. You get rid of old guys and bad contracts.
Clearing a spot for Kaprizov is grasping at straws. We have to get rid of this great player on a great contract for a guy that never played one second of North American hockey... yeah... that's it... that's the reason. There are 4 top-6 wing slots and 8 wing slots overall, and that doesn't take injuries into account. Kaprizov is an excuse, not an explanation.


If you are rebuilding that's exactly the people you get rid of. You take the old guys and bad contracts so that you suck and get a good spot in the draft lottery. Luckily for the Wild, they've got this part down. Now they need to trade their good guys so that they can get back picks and prospects and start building their new core. That's how rebuilds work.

Look at the Rangers- they traded a bunch of good players on good contracts so that they sucked and they got a second overall pick out of it, as well as the returns for all of those guys and now the Rangers are pretty set. The Wild may not be able to seriously contend until the Parise and Suter contracts are up, so for me, that's when their window opens, maybe a little before if those guys retire or whatever. So, looking at their roster, they've got three players- Zucker, Dumba, and Brodin- who have (obviously not equal) trade value, whose contracts expire before that window opens, and who will be over thirty anyway and you won't want on a young team. It makes no sense to keep them when you don't have many prospects making noise to create that new core. If you trade them now while they've got term, you get a better return.

The only reason I brought up Kaprizov is because there isn't a potentially star talent that wants to play in the NHL for the Wild where Dumba and Brodin play. Krill Kaprizov is supposed to be part of the new core. If your mindset is to bring in assets to use for a rebuild, then Zucker makes perfect sense- a lot of people want him, he won't be under contract when the window is open, he'll have aged out of the window if he is still there, and he costs a team who is not going anywhere a decent amount of money to keep around. All of those things apply to Brodin and Dumba too (more so Dumba), but you still need someone playing defense for you, where you've got a cheap guy ready to come in and play in Zucker's spot, and that guy could potentially speed up your rebuild if he pans out. If Kaprizov sucks, well, who cares, you're supposed to be tanking.

Basically my point is the Wild need to tank regardless of what happens with Zucker, but it's harder to tank when he's here because he's good. Kaprizov really doesn't matter, but it sure is easier to commit to trading him when you've got a highly rated prospect stepping in who could replace him.
Jan 23 at 6:38
#16
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The Canucks trade is intriguing. I hope some nucks fans weigh in. I think Zuccarello would waive NTC if he was told Wild are in a rebuild. I don't know if Loui would either way I like it.
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