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Is Georgiev the second coming of Christ

Initial Creation Date: Jan 23, 2020
Published: Jan 23 at 5:15 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Certainly what he’s valued as
And yes, I know Bracco and a pick isn’t enough
Trades
TOR
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Nylander, William
  3. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
  5. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
  6. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
  7. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$84,996,444$0$202,500-$3,496,444
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$792,500
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jan 23 at 5:18
#1
Pmwalker
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No one has said that ever. Seems you’re just mad that the Bracco plus a pick offers won’t cut it and the Rangers want a better asset in return. In typical fashion its now time to trash him right? Too easy to see coming. Childish. Very childish.
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Jan 23 at 5:19
#2
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yes he is, still not enough
Jan 23 at 5:19
#3
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Come on, don't be ridiculous. NYR can't afford Nylander just give them another 1st.
Jan 23 at 5:19
#4
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Pmwalker
No one has said that ever. Seems you’re just mad that the Bracco plus a pick offers won’t cut it and the Rangers want a better asset in return. In typical fashion its now time to trash him right? Too easy to see coming. Childish. Very childish.


Nah I know Bracco and a pick isn’t enough, but Kapanen? When has a team ever traded a 2RW with more potential for a fringe starter?
Jan 23 at 5:20
#5
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No, but jeremy Bracco, on the last year of his ELC with zero nhl games despite a plethora of call ups, is confused with an NHL hockey player with trade value about 35 times a day
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Jan 23 at 5:20
#6
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Quoting: Pmwalker
No one has said that ever. Seems you’re just mad that the Bracco plus a pick offers won’t cut it and the Rangers want a better asset in return. In typical fashion its now time to trash him right? Too easy to see coming. Childish. Very childish.


imo toronto fans are some of the worse people they want to have this amazing team of players that they get from other teams but dont want to pay what theyre worth
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Jan 23 at 5:21
#7
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Quoting: Pmwalker
No one has said that ever. Seems you’re just mad that the Bracco plus a pick offers won’t cut it and the Rangers want a better asset in return. In typical fashion its now time to trash him right? Too easy to see coming. Childish. Very childish.


Na I'd say the hype around him is off the charts right now. Ask from NYR fans is unrealistic so don't make offers. Just keep him.
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Jan 23 at 5:22
#8
The Chief of Kief
Joined: May 2019
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Rangers say no
Jan 23 at 5:24
#9
Pmwalker
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
Nah I know Bracco and a pick isn’t enough, but Kapanen? When has a team ever traded a 2RW with more potential for a fringe starter?


Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
Nah I know Bracco and a pick isn’t enough, but Kapanen? When has a team ever traded a 2RW with more potential for a fringe starter?


Why does one still have potential yet the other doesn’t ? You said Kapanen has more potential and implied Georgiev will just be a fringe starter and has no more potential. Seems a one sided view considering their close in age and goalies take longer to develop.
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Jan 23 at 5:27
#10
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Quoting: Pmwalker
Why does one still have potential yet the other doesn’t ? You said Kapanen has more potential and implied Georgiev will just be a fringe starter and has no more potential. Seems a one sided view considering their close in age and goalies take longer to develop.


Because goalies are tricky. We don’t know if he’s going to grow even more or max out. Kapanen on the other hand has proven he’s a 2 RW
Jan 23 at 5:28
#11
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
No, but jeremy Bracco, on the last year of his ELC with zero nhl games despite a plethora of call ups, is confused with an NHL hockey player with trade value about 35 times a day


Bracco should be worth at least a 4th to a team that can get him in their lineup at the end of the season.
Jan 23 at 5:28
#12
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Quoting: Pmwalker
Why does one still have potential yet the other doesn’t ? You said Kapanen has more potential and implied Georgiev will just be a fringe starter and has no more potential. Seems a one sided view considering their close in age and goalies take longer to develop.

It’s equivalent like Lindblom and a 2nd for Georgiev which we can both agree is bad for the Flyers
Jan 23 at 5:29
#13
Pmwalker
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
Because goalies are tricky. We don’t know if he’s going to grow even more or max out. Kapanen on the other hand has proven he’s a 2 RW


Kapanens more a 3RW in my opinion but I do agree goalie growth is a crap shoot most of the time.
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Jan 23 at 5:31
#14
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Quoting: MGK
Bracco should be worth at least a 4th to a team that can get him in their lineup at the end of the season.


He is worth another teams jeremy bracco
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Jan 23 at 5:33
#15
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Well...it's too bad if NYR want more than a prospect+pick for a backup goalie. Look what Ben Bishop and Grubaur went for in those trades at the point in their careers....both were backups at best.

Now Bishop has gone on and become a starter later in his career but Ottawa did not get starter value for him and Washington didn't get starter value for Grubaur either so NYR should not be able to fetch more than what these teams got.
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Jan 23 at 5:34
#16
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
He is worth another teams jeremy bracco


Post TDL, teams will have space on their roster so they'll be calling up prospects but they may want to give a kid like Bracco a look. If the team doesn't have their own Bracco, they may covet the original Bracco.

I just like saying Bracco.
Jan 23 at 5:37
#17
Pmwalker
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
It’s equivalent like Lindblom and a 2nd for Georgiev which we can both agree is bad for the Flyers


Kapanen for Georgiev straight up is fair. With the second it’s too much

Lindblom for Georgiev straight up is probably fair. With the second again it’s too much.

Difference is Philly doesn’t need a backup goalie and has Hart and Elliott/Lyon currently and a few other decent goalie prospects in the system.

Toronto on the other hand desperately needs a backup and may need a cheaper starter option in a few years. Georgiev provides that.
Jan 23 at 5:38
#18
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What a lousy package for the Rangers. Add in Cody Ceci and maybe we're talking
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Jan 23 at 5:46
#19
Dubooty
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Quoting: Pmwalker
No one has said that ever. Seems you’re just mad that the Bracco plus a pick offers won’t cut it and the Rangers want a better asset in return. In typical fashion its now time to trash him right? Too easy to see coming. Childish. Very childish.


Gallo 12 or gallo 24?
Jan 23 at 5:48
#20
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
Because goalies are tricky. We don’t know if he’s going to grow even more or max out. Kapanen on the other hand has proven he’s a 2 RW


Kapanen has proven he can be the 3rd best player on the 2nd line, nothing more. does he have 2RW potential yes but he is currently a 3RW that is fast and fairly solid defensively. Georgiev bascially took over the starting role in NYR this year from Hank. If you are going to talk about ones proven abilities you have to talk about both
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Jan 23 at 5:56
#21
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Toronto needs to take Smith or Staal back in that deal... for, uhh...cap purposes, yeah, cap purposes.
Jan 23 at 5:58
#22
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Georgiev + Fast get Kapanen? I’d take that, even.
Jan 23 at 6:05
#23
GM - Avalanche
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Think the title of this post is very accurate as I have never heard so much hype and non-sense about the value of an NHL goalie who is really an unproven commodity. If you believe in buying low and selling high then the Leafs should be running from acquiring Georgiev.
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Jan 23 at 6:10
#24
Lenny7
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Quoting: MGK
Post TDL, teams will have space on their roster so they'll be calling up prospects but they may want to give a kid like Bracco a look. If the team doesn't have their own Bracco, they may covet the original Bracco.

I just like saying Bracco.


Agreed. I also enjoy saying "Bracco". If we can all come up with 10 ways to use "Bracco" as an adjective, his value might skyrocket!
Jan 23 at 6:12
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NYR wants are not condus
Quoting: Pmwalker
Kapanen for Georgiev straight up is fair. With the second it’s too much

Lindblom for Georgiev straight up is probably fair. With the second again it’s too much.

Difference is Philly doesn’t need a backup goalie and has Hart and Elliott/Lyon currently and a few other decent goalie prospects in the system.

Toronto on the other hand desperately needs a backup and may need a cheaper starter option in a few years. Georgiev provides that.


There are less expensive options, I get what NYR wants but wants are just that wants, at the current asking price no one is biting on Georgiev cause he is unproven regardless of what NYR management and their fans think - unproven Goalie, fringe starter maybe - if he has 4 bad games back to just a backup
 
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