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Would Lou make this trade with Toronto

Created by: truculence67
Initial Creation Date: Jan 24, 2020
Published: Jan 24, 2020 at 5:56
Team: 2020-21 New York Islanders
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Sorokin, Ilya1$925,000
Salo, Robin3$800,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Barzal, Mathew8$8,500,000
Toews, Devon3$3,500,000
Aho, Sebastian2$875,000
Söderström, Linus2$875,000
Hutton, Grant1$725,000
Wotherspoon, Parker2$775,000
Vande Sompel, Mitch2$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Haula, Erik2$3,000,000
Trades
NYI
  1. Nylander, William
TOR
  1. Pulock, Ryan [RFA Rights]
  2. Dal Colle, Michael
NYI
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Hickey, Thomas
  2. Ho-Sang, Joshua [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
  • Rick DiPietro: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NYI
NYI
NYI
OTT
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2021
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2022
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$82,231,532$0$1,387,500$1,268,468
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYI
Lee, Anders
$7,000,000
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 6
NYI
Barzal, Mathew
$8,500,000
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
NYI
Beauvillier, Anthony
$2,100,000
LW
RFA - 1
NYI
Nelson, Brock
$6,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
NYI
Eberle, Jordan
$5,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
NYI
Bailey, Josh
$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Haula, Erik
$3,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
NYI
Wahlstrom, Oliver
$894,167
C, RW
RFA - 3
NYI
Komarov, Leo
$3,000,000
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
NYI
Cizikas, Casey
$3,350,000
C
UFA - 1
NYI
Clutterbuck, Cal
$3,500,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYI
Pelech, Adam
$1,600,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYI
Dobson, Noah
$894,167
RD
RFA - 2
NYI
Varlamov, Semyon
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Leddy, Nick
$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
NYI
Mayfield, Scott
$1,450,000
RD
UFA - 3
NYI
Sorokin, Ilya
$925,000
G
RFA - 1
NYI
Toews, Devon
$3,500,000
LD
UFA - 4
NYI
Boychuk, Johnny
$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NYI
Aho, Sebastian
$875,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYI
Ladd, Andrew
$5,500,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Koivula, Otto
$786,666
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
NYI
Bellows, Kieffer
$894,166
C, LW
RFA - 1

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Jan 24, 2020 at 5:58
#1
Leafs GM v4
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No. Swap nylander for travis Zajac
Jan 24, 2020 at 5:58
#2
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sure, Lou would make that trade, but he'd need to have a gun to Dubas' head
Jan 24, 2020 at 6:04
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Isles7
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No. Pulock is pretty much untouchable
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Jan 24, 2020 at 6:32
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
sure, Lou would make that trade, but he'd need to have a gun to Dubas' head


Quoting: Isles777
No. Pulock is pretty much untouchable


Lol so which one is it
Jan 24, 2020 at 6:47
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Isles7
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Quoting: truculence67
Lol so which one is it


Pulock is a 25 year old top pairing Dman who puts up 40 pts in a defensive minded system (only 42% o zone starts). Pulock will become expendable when bode Wilde develops and they can have Noah Dobson and Wilde as the top 4 RHD. That won’t happen for another 2 years. It doesn’t make sense for the islanders to trade pulock right now unless it was a huge overpayment
Jan 24, 2020 at 7:04
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Quoting: Isles777
Pulock is a 25 year old top pairing Dman who puts up 40 pts in a defensive minded system (only 42% o zone starts). Pulock will become expendable when bode Wilde develops and they can have Noah Dobson and Wilde as the top 4 RHD. That won’t happen for another 2 years. It doesn’t make sense for the islanders to trade pulock right now unless it was a huge overpayment


drop dal colle (ik nearly valueless) and it is definitely an overpayment. maybe not huge, but the value is on your side (i am not a leafs fan)
Jan 24, 2020 at 7:14
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Quoting: Wqrrior
drop dal colle (ik nearly valueless) and it is definitely an overpayment. maybe not huge, but the value is on your side (i am not a leafs fan)


It’s a lot easier to find scoring wingers than it is top pairing defenseman. This trade does not make the islanders better right now.
Jan 24, 2020 at 7:28
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Quoting: Isles777
It’s a lot easier to find scoring wingers than it is top pairing defenseman. This trade does not make the islanders better right now.


Really? What other scoring wingers of Nylander’s age, caliber, and years left on their contracts are so easily available? Gaudreau is the only one I can think of. The idea that young defensemen are intrinsically more valuable than similarly talented forwards just because of the position they play just isn’t true. That whole notion basically stems from Peter chiarelli being a terrible gm and trading hall for Larsson.
Jan 24, 2020 at 7:33
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Quoting: Isles777
It’s a lot easier to find scoring wingers than it is top pairing defenseman. This trade does not make the islanders better right now.


Part of why Pulock is doing so good is the coaching of Trotz. Yes, the islanders defensemen are underrated, but I struggle to believe that any of them would be even top 4 defensemen without the system they are under. Pulock also is not an elite top pair defenseman. He can play the role, sure - but you guys have six top 4 defensemen without a true #1 (though pulock is the best of those 6).
Jan 24, 2020 at 8:19
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Isles7
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Part of why Pulock is doing so good is the coaching of Trotz. Yes, the islanders defensemen are underrated, but I struggle to believe that any of them would be even top 4 defensemen without the system they are under. Pulock also is not an elite top pair defenseman. He can play the role, sure - but you guys have six top 4 defensemen without a true #1 (though pulock is the best of those 6).


"Part of why pulock is doing so good is the coaching of trotz". Yes good coaching is usually crucial to a players success. Just look at barrie under Babcock and then with Keefe.

Pulock is a top pairing defenseman (with or without trotz) . His underlying metrics were strong before he became HC. Last season, pulocks numbers were that of an elite all around #1 defenseman. The Islanders had a 56% expected goal share with him on the ice and a 3.57 expected goals for per 60 rate. That is in a defensive minded system where trotz doesn't mind if opposing teams spend a lot of time in our end as long as the shots are kept to the outside.

Toews, pulock, and pelech would be top 4 dmen on a lot of teams. The notion that these players only produce because of trotz system is insane. Leddy and Boychuk's metrics are still bad. Leddy has gotten worse since trotz became head coach and nothing has changed with boychuk.
Jan 24, 2020 at 8:34
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Isles7
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Quoting: truculence67
Really? What other scoring wingers of Nylander’s age, caliber, and years left on their contracts are so easily available? Gaudreau is the only one I can think of. The idea that young defensemen are intrinsically more valuable than similarly talented forwards just because of the position they play just isn’t true. That whole notion basically stems from Peter chiarelli being a terrible gm and trading hall for Larsson.


I said "scoring wingers", I did not say elite scoring wingers. The islanders can keep pulock and give a 1st rd pick + B level prospects for young wingers like kase, labanc, Anderson (yes I know he's had a sh*t year), Athanasiou, or even guys in their late 20's with some term like zucker, Tatar, palmieri.
Jan 26, 2020 at 12:02
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Quoting: Isles777
Pulock is a 25 year old top pairing Dman who puts up 40 pts in a defensive minded system (only 42% o zone starts). Pulock will become expendable when bode Wilde develops and they can have Noah Dobson and Wilde as the top 4 RHD. That won’t happen for another 2 years. It doesn’t make sense for the islanders to trade pulock right now unless it was a huge overpayment


don't count your chickens before they hatch. i think wilde is better suited in a package deal for a top 6 scorer with a pick right now. or you give him a year or 2 of development than move him out.
Jan 27, 2020 at 11:08
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Quoting: truculence67
Lol so which one is it


He’s pretty much untouchable at this point
 
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