I'm glad you are taking leafs offers into account for your agms, I just wish you would have taken a good one. Leafs getting ripped off here.

I almost died laughing at the Schiefle Trade idea! HA. That was funny

Wahlstrom is not a center

They really aren't. It seems pretty fair.

Brodin>Kapanen+2nd. And it's not close.

Liljegren isn't really that great of a prospect.

1)Mostly agree, I would say it is in the same ballpark though.

2)Liljegren is a fantastic prospect wtf are you talking about?!?!

Well that sucks. CapFriendly lists him as C/RW, and I guess I overlooked that part on the scouting report.
Thanks!

I think it's pretty close probably a touch in Wilds favor. Toronto is getting exactly the return they need in the trade. Brodin and Foligno are both very under rated players. If you dropped the draft pick swap its probably a very even deal.

It's a classic bias where fans overrate their prospects. Liljegren is a solid prospect but he's not the high-end guy that Leaf fans make him out to be. Compare him to Rasmus Sandin who is legitimately a fantastic prospect.

No.

Brodin is exactly what the leafs need with 2 exceptions. His contract is only 1.5 years and he is left handed.

Foligno is a very good but overpaid 4th liner. Love him as a player, but at 1m or less. Not worth giving up value for without major retention, and even then it wouldn't be a lot.

Stalock sucks. As bad as hutch in gsax

And we lose kapanen, who is a 2nd liner on 20 NHL teams and has game breaking speed plus a cheap contract where he will still expire an rfa.

A 2nd (which we need in Liew of our firsts and to help to cover for the hunter years when he picked bust after bust in the 2nd round on)

Ceci, an overpaid 6th dman for half a year, not worth giving up assets to lose.

Liljegren, basically exactly what the leafs dcore needs. Looks like he could be our version of Spurgeon (maybe 80% of him).

So no, we are good lol

Classic anti leafs bias on show here. If you watch liljegren you'd know he is everything the leafs need in a dman.

He is very much a high end prospect, stop talking out of your ass.

People tend to rate prospect development based on how long they've noticed them rather than their actual age, which tends to underrate guys like liljegren who have been known since 17. He's 20 and looks like he could be similar to Spurgeon playstyle wise. He is very high end. Top 4 dman.

People who don’t watch him play look at his stats and make off the cuff evaluations. That should have been a question rather than a comment.

It's amazing that people can say **** like "classic leafs fans overvaluing their prospects" when they chronically undervalue them and generally have no clue what they are taking about.

Zero self awareness.

I think you nailed it in another comment about the key injuries during development. You said he would be 80% of spurgeon.

No leafs fans are on here comparing him to makar or even sandin. He is a solid prospect at a position of weakness who will make less than 1m for the next two years. I think he sill be a late bloomer and a solid top 4 guy.

I like that as soon as I point out the bias where fans overate their prospects and get emotionally attached, you go on that rant and prove my point.

Umm no. None of what you said is correct in any way but your own biased af head.

Saying you are underrating lily, explaining why and pointing out your lack of self awareness at you taking shots at leafs fans does not prove your point. It breaks down why you are wrong perfectly.

Me: "Sandin is an example of an elite prospect. Liljegren isn't that"

You: "waaah why do you hate the Leafs so much".

You say late bloomers, but he is right on schedule. Sandin is just blowing our expectations out if the water so much that he looks slow in comparison.

Look at Rasmus ansersson's reputation. Lily is younger and has a better resume at the same age, but ansersson is a top 4 stud while lily is a bust.

I can't vouch for Random I haven't dealt with him much on ACGM but Jamiepo seems pretty solid on his valuations so if he says Liljegren is legit it's good enough for me. The TML fans get a bad name because their are so many on here and some of them straight up smoke crack, like their old mayor if I remember right. Random is making fair arguments.

If that is what you think I said, you have literacy issues. Please complete highschool before returning to the site.

Mean but funny. But seriously give him a chance I don't think he is wrong.

Also mean but funny.

You are crying about me "taking shots" at the Leafs. Which didn't happen. But I can understand why people do when they have people like you in the fanbase.

"This guy doesn't think this prospect is as good as I think he is. He's a meanie! Waaaaaah"

You are being pathetic.

Since you don't know me, may I present a brief Bio.

I am the stats guy and am perfectly happy to take a 30 day ban if it gets my point across better. I will argue against stupid arguments and trade proposals forever even when I hold the unpopular opinion (as long as my opinion is backed by the numbers).

Some examples of my 'work' include:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1552282 <------ Oilers roadmap to success.
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1414520 <----- My season preview
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1039322 < ---- In depth Leafs depth chart as of last summer
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/891675 <---- building D cores - Looking around the league.

Do you even read what you said that garnered a response before you say **** like this or are you just stupid?

He's a legitimate NHL prospect. But he's not a clear-cut top four D (right now) that this guy is making him out to be. And it's ok for people to think that. I'm amazed that this person is taking personal offense about it.