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Whether it will or won't work is fortunately in the hands of smart hockey minds and not fans. If it was up to fans, Manson is worth elite prospects, 1st rounders and a top 6 forward. I am so over this already.

2 big things stick out for me from your comments. #1 Not every team is as obsessed with D playing their given side as the Leafs are. There have been many effective teams, many Stanley Cup winners, that are short one side or the other on the back-end, so I don't think it necessarily needs to be equal. The Ducks just need a rebuild to bring in good young people. #2 the longer the Ducks hold onto their pieces, I'd argue the less they are worth, especially a stay-at-home defender that does not put up the sexy point numbers everyone looks to first. I am not saying Manson can't up his value, but on a bad team, it's less likely, and I'd bet the deals the Ducks are offered during this season will be better than anything they'll get offered at the draft, since Manson has a very reasonable cap hit.

So, while I don't necessarily disagree on the thesis, or main point, of your AGM, I'd argue that the Leafs own assets beyond their top prospects that would inject youth, speed, scoring and control-ability to this Ducks, all things this team needs.

Manson doesn't work for Toronto either. He's not having the type of year he was having two years ago so not as appealing as some think.

I have yet to see a trade with a single "elite" prospect going to ANA, so I see are scraps and middle 6 wingers that ANA has 0 need for, I have also seen very very few trades with a first in it, and I have seen quite a few ducks fans saying they wouldn't even really want TOR's 2021 first, also calling some GM's/scouts/AGM's "smart hockey minds" is laughable

He's still having a well above average year across the board (just not elite in anything)

Manson doesn't warrant an "elite" prospect attached to a young cost controlled roster player

I don't disagree

No one is giving a 20th OA or better for Manson even on a one for one deal. I think point is your eating Manson's value against what you believe is desperate need to another team and eating his value against the player himself

Eating (auto correct) should read weighing

No rational Ducks fan is asking for a first for Manson or an elite prospect. What we keep trying to say, if people would listen, is that we're not trading Manson for his actual value because then we'd be almost completely bereft at RD; the only thing that could convince us to move him is a silly overpay. In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

I understood the thread, I've posted a few 3 way deals where Buffalo gets Kapenen or Johnsson Ducks get Risto and Leafs get Manson

And there you go. A 3 way trade that makes more sense for the ducks than the continuous Johnsson, Bracco, Ceci and a pick packages.

I’ve seen 4 Manson trades posted today with all being that Johnson package.

More than one Anahiem fan has told me Manson would cost one of Kapanen or Johnsson, Sandin or Liljegren and a 1st. It's ridiculous

I have never seen someone say that lol, I'd be happy with Lilja 1 for 1 (obv leafs fans wouldn't, but that's not the point of this)

Well sir you are just very reasonable

Who cares if the Defence is horrible until the off season when you can address it.... your acting like they have any reason to stay competitive right now, they need to hit rock bottom before they can get back on top

It’s called asset management.

You wanna talk about Asset management? This trade turns one asset into 3... that’s what asset management is

Nah. It turns one into 2 lesser assets. Ceci and Bracco aren’t assets.

A young player who has proven he is too good for the AHL isn’t an asset... okay ?

All TOR prospects are “elite” prospects, even ones that have regressed since their draft *cough* Liljegren *cough*... *cough* still has top pairing potential *cough*



BUF says “no”. When will TOR fans get the message that middle 6 wingers that don’t drive the play don’t net top 4 D-men?



You’re underselling Manson. Liljegren isn’t that good. His ceiling is well-below what Manson has achieved and his skill set isn’t nearly as desirable. Also, TOR fans love talking about how Manson “regressed” since being on arguably the most dominant shutdown pairing in the NHL, but the skirt over the fact that Liljegren has regressed too and clearly doesn’t have the upside they originally thought. The kid hasn’t even sniffed an NHL ice and is already falling short of expectations and we’re supposed to be grateful that he’s included in a deal for our best RHD. Get real! Keep him and we’ll keep Manson.



Kase + Sprong + Perry’s cap hit + 2nd for Nylander. That 3 assets for 1 so you win, riiiiiiigggggghhhhhtttttt? Duuuuhhhhh! Such nonsensical TOR fan logic.

Wow just hating today hey bud? Here's some stuff to think about.
1. Ducks are garbage now and will be garbage next year and the year after - Manson's value will continue to fall
2. Buffalo has been desperately trying to move on from Risto for a "Top 6 F" no team has bit - Risto does not warrant a Bonefied Top 6 F - he will however net a young F with Top 6 potential.
3. Your rant is total nonsense stemmed out of pure Jealousy of an organization that has completed a rebuild and is now beginning to mature into a really really really good team, with a locked in long-term core with very good contracts (JT could very well look bad in the last 2 years of the contract but I highly doubt it looks awful or negative value at 34 years old)

1. Wrong. We aren’t going through a full-rebuild like TOR had to after pissing away assets and drafting poorly for so many years. Despite spending many years with late round picks, ANA has actually drafted well. Yeah, we haven’t managed to draft anyone to replace Getzlaf or Perry, hence the team’s decline. However, highly-drafted forwards can come into the NHL and flourish very quickly. Add Zegras and another potentially elite forward at this years draft (Laf, Byfield, Stützle) to our group of young forward prospects just starting their NHL journeys (i.e. Steel, Terry, Jones, Comtois, etc) + Rakell + Kase + Silf, and we’re well on our way to turning things around. However, we need to keep a strong foundation at the back, so we’re not EDM 2.0... or 2020 TOR with no legit top pairing RHD.

2. That’s your opinion. BUF fans very much view Risto as a top 4 RHD and won’t trade him for a middle 6 winger. AJ and KK are in their prime years. They don’t have “potential” to be top 6 forwards. Anyway, feel free to make a thread suggesting that 3-way trade and see how it goes down with BUF fans if you think I’m wrong.

3. Not jealous at all. Your D sucks and Andersen crumbles during the playoffs. It’s nice to have all the flashy offence, but TOR isn’t built for playoffs imo. Don’t see you going far without some changes. Think adding Manson and possibly a player like Ritchie could go a long way to help you, but you don’t really have the appropriate assets to return such players.

I've done the 3 way trade on this site - went over well

Ducks should be doing a full rebuild - a re tool is pointless

Leafs D is mediocre , Freddie hasn't crumbled in the playoffs to date - The D have