That Anaheim deal is fair without backes

Kase is worth a late 1st alone. Taking Backes would also cost a 1st. Not a chance ANA accepts that offer. Would likely need a legit RHD coming back if we’re moving Kase, otherwise it just doesn’t really make sense

Not sure I agree Kase is worth a 1st. He has 6 goals. He can't stay healthy. It's half of Backes' salary. Backes is certainly better at than Devin shore or something called Carter Rowney. Deslauries...LOL.

He has six goals and 20pts. He is not worth a 1st. Not even close. Dzingel was two 2nds and he had 22 goals at time of trade. After having back to back 20 goal seasons.

DesLauriers, Grant and Rowney are better than your fourth line at each position.

Kuhlman seems alright but I don’t know if he’s enough to entice the sharks on Dillon. 24 and hasn’t held a full time nhl job yet

What are you talking about? Grant is decent - Rowney and Deslauriers wouldn't be on half the teams in NHL including the Bruins.

Nordstrom - Kuraly - Wagner are better, by a lot.

Terrible sharks trade.

That does not get either deal done.

I think this trade is a lot closer than my Anaheim colleagues, but you're still a little short by something between Axel Andersson and Connor Clifton. You are right, Kase by himself is not worth a first, but there is some value to taking on Backes' contract (there is no need for you to retain anything, particularly inasmuch as Bob Murray has said the Ducks are okay with taking on a bad contract).

There are many variations on this trade that make a lot of sense for both teams, but your basic idea here is a great outline. We just have to decide on the last 5% or 10% of the deal.

Yeah - I figure Moore would be the topper. Decent bottom pairing guy under control for reasonable money... Plus Kuhlman who has shown promise. Cehlarik?

For who?

Sharks, why would they trade for 2 players who aren't going to help, they need picks.

Kuhlman and Moore would both help them.

They would essential be replacing Dillon for Moore at cheaper dollars and term and adding a decent young player.

Kuhlman can't make it into the NHL and sharks don't need more defenseman. The asking price is a 2nd + other asset.

I think you'd better look at some stats. In particular, our fourth line is much better defensively (Grant and Rowney are one of our two penalty-killing pairs) and has scored 17 goals to your side's 12.

Our guys are better, by a significant margin.

I am not sure you know who Kuhlman is.

He made the Bruins. He got hurt blocking a shot and Just returned. He is playing well.
He was given the start in Game 7 of SCF over Backes (& Others) as 2RW.
He is much more of a 3rw, but he could 15g 20a for as a 3rw while killing penalties and being an energy guy. He isn't an all-star, but he is certainly an NHL'er

Yeah, no. As I said, Grant is ok, Take out his 10 goals and let me know how it looks.

Kuraly, Wagner & Nordstrom all kill penalties as well.

Also - You literally cannot get much worse on their possession numbers. 40.3 Corsi and 39 Fenwick is really. really. really. really. really. bad.

Still no, the asking price is a 2nd + prospect/pick

closer than I thought, but I'd still take the Bruins 4th line.
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Fine. We’ll just keep him. Kase isn’t getting moved for low returns. He’s only got 6 goals so you don’t need him anyway.

Rowney is a very good 4th liner, thought he was solid in PITT now looks ever better in ANA. Grant is good but Deslauriwhatever stinks though. Ducks have a solid 4th line but for the amount of minutes and key situations the Bruins' 4th plays, I take them over the Ducks.

Anahiem says no (the first alone is just enough to take on backes' deal, so they need more for Kase also), bruins also say no (they are trading away the whole contract, not questions asked)

Bruins overpay on the second trade

Kase is having a ****ty year offensively but his underlying numbers remain good. He's young and looked good offensively in the past. You can't compare costs to a rental (Dzingel) to not a rental.

All firsts aren't created equal. The Bruins are a top 3 team in League standings. I think most would be surprised to see that first be higher than the 24th pick. That is a lot less valuable than most firsts.

That's an entirely reasonable position, and a sound basis for rational debate or discussion. What I was objecting to was the allegation that Boston's fourth line is "better" than Anaheim's "by a lot."

Two things about DesLauriers: (1) he split time earlier this year with Devin Shore, so you really have to combine their numbers to see how effective #4LW is, and (2) he's the team's protector and a lot tougher than most players on most teams, as evidenced by the fact that he leads the League in fighting majors.

I'd like to know if you've compared ToI minutes for the six respective players (I haven't). Given their pk time, I think Grant and Rowney probably exceed quite a few of the Anaheim third-liners and I'd be interested to know how they stack up against Boston's fourth liners.