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21st and 22nd Ovr Picks

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Team: 2019-20 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 3, 2020
Published: Feb. 3, 2020
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LTIR are players who probably wont be here next year.
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Lundell, Anton
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21st and 22nd ovr pick
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    Maybe add a 4th or something from the Canes as well
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    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:13 a.m.
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    If you get Lundell at 10, he criminally fell and you should consider it a massive win.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:15 a.m.
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    Quoting: SammyT_51
    If you get Lundell at 10, he criminally fell and you should consider it a massive win.


    There will be a lot of surprises in this draft, Someone you wont expect will fall 5-10 places. watch
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:17 a.m.
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    Quoting: SammyT_51
    If you get Lundell at 10, he criminally fell and you should consider it a massive win.


    Also I was going off of Mock draft sites, and they all have him 9-10
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    There will be a lot of surprises in this draft, Someone you wont expect will fall 5-10 places. watch


    From looking at possibly 60-70 players in last 2 years consistently and their development.. Lundell is top-3 player in the draft. He should go max 5th (Team can pick Raymond or Drysdale 3rd if they need them). But as you said.. there would be a lot of surprises and lots of stupid decisions in first two rounds (Sanderson, Guhle in first round for example.)
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:19 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    Also I was going off of Mock draft sites, and they all have him 9-10


    Yeah I know.. thats what happens when you dont watch enough of some player LOL.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: SammyT_51
    Yeah I know.. thats what happens when you dont watch enough of some player LOL.


    But youd think one "expert" would notice this guys "top 3" talent, no? not saying you are wrong, but if this guy was that skilled, you would hear his name a lot more.

    Would love to make a friendly bet that he doesnt get picked before 5.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:23 a.m.
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    Quoting: SammyT_51
    From looking at possibly 60-70 players in last 2 years consistently and their development.. Lundell is top-3 player in the draft. He should go max 5th (Team can pick Raymond or Drysdale 3rd if they need them). But as you said.. there would be a lot of surprises and lots of stupid decisions in first two rounds (Sanderson, Guhle in first round for example.)


    Why aren't Sanderson and Guhle 1st rounders?
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:25 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    But youd think one "expert" would notice this guys "top 3" talent, no? not saying you are wrong, but if this guy was that skilled, you would hear his name a lot more.

    Would love to make a friendly bet that he doesnt get picked before 5.


    IMO:
    1) Laf
    2) Byf
    3) Stutzle
    4) Drysdale/Raymond
    5) Drysdale/Raymond
    6) Holtz/Rossi
    7)Holtz/Rossi
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    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:29 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    But youd think one "expert" would notice this guys "top 3" talent, no? not saying you are wrong, but if this guy was that skilled, you would hear his name a lot more.

    Would love to make a friendly bet that he doesnt get picked before 5.


    You have 6 top-3 calibre players in this draft (Lafreniere, Byfield, Lundell, Stutzle, Raymond, Drysdale). Lundell is like Barkov, can do it all and has skills to be most versatille player of this draft. And eye test proves it all the time. People are sleeping on him badly (including "experts" like Button (who only watches international tournaments) or different). I know he is not gonna get picked before 5 but whoever gets him, gets a massive steal. I like Carolina so hopefully! He is in my opinion from watching him a lot a top-3 talent in this draft. Some draft folks have him behind Rossi, Perfetti which is just plain wrong.. we will see what happens... if he falls like I expect him to, some team is getting a massive steal! Like Ducks getting Zegras at #9, Leafs getting Sandin at #29, Canes getting Aho in 2nd round, Hawks getting DeBrincat in 2nd and so on. Some players Ive seen in "experts'" top-15s are players who are 2nd round talents at best and 2nd round players who are top-15 talents.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:32 a.m.
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    Well WPG declines anyways so it doesn’t matter.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:33 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    But youd think one "expert" would notice this guys "top 3" talent, no? not saying you are wrong, but if this guy was that skilled, you would hear his name a lot more.

    Would love to make a friendly bet that he doesnt get picked before 5.


    SammyT is pretty well versed when it comes to prospects and young up and comers. I think i remember him saying he does it as part of his work one time. Regardless he made a mock draft on here a couple weeks ago with some solid insight on players and the order he drafted them in, and I'm pretty sure he had Lundell no lower then 5th with Drysdale and Stutzle being the other 2 guys in 3-5.
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    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:38 a.m.
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    Quoting: tsyls
    Well WPG declines anyways so it doesn’t matter.


    You going to expand on your thought? or just leave this pointless comment here?
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:39 a.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    SammyT is pretty well versed when it comes to prospects and young up and comers. I think i remember him saying he does it as part of his work one time. Regardless he made a mock draft on here a couple weeks ago with some solid insight on players and the order he drafted them in, and I'm pretty sure he had Lundell no lower then 5th with Drysdale and Stutzle being the other 2 guys in 3-5.


    Yup. But I understand why people are low on Lundell (missed WJC, missed some other tourneys with injuries), so it makes sense he is low in experts rankings (who depend a TON on international tournaments and it is so apparent its not even funny). Im pretty damn high on Lundell and maybe its a bit of a bias but really should be at minimum a top-5 player. Maybe the injury downgrades his stock, missed tournaments etc.. dunno man. But some team is getting a top line center in him.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:40 a.m.
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    Quoting: SammyT_51
    Yup. But I understand why people are low on Lundell (missed WJC, missed some other tourneys with injuries), so it makes sense he is low in experts rankings (who depend a TON on international tournaments and it is so apparent its not even funny). Im pretty damn high on Lundell and maybe its a bit of a bias but really should be at minimum a top-5 player. Maybe the injury downgrades his stock, missed tournaments etc.. dunno man. But some team is getting a top line center in him.


    How about the trade I made for the 10th OA pick value wise?
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:41 a.m.
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    Why aren't Sanderson and Guhle 1st rounders?


    Guhle would max be 3rd pairing Dman. Has great skating and good two-way play but nothing special in anything. Some decisions he makes are just plain stupid and he cannot put it all together to save his life. Like with some Dmen before him, I dont like what I see for 1st rounder. He is really meh. Would be possibly #5-#6 at max when developed. But teams see 6'3'' and as much as it is cliche to say, they do that all the time.

    Sanderson is better than Guhle but still max should be in 30s. He is in first round because of one great game (and that was hell of a game!), He is meh skater and has average skillset overall. What stands out with him is his defensive poise, which in my personal opinion separates him from Guhle who is not really good in anything but also not that bad in anything. I like Sanderson as he can be a very good shutdown #4/#5 D at best, but still not better than other Dman that I have in front of him.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:42 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    How about the trade I made for the 10th OA pick value wise?


    I think its good, teams would think that you can get great players with those early 20s picks and you can, but 10th overall there would be some much better names available.
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    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:45 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    You going to expand on your thought? or just leave this pointless comment here?


    How does this benefit WPG? I get you said maybe add a 4th but still it’s a no. The top 10 is stacked. Like you said lundell is ranked around 8-10. The jets would be absolutely stupid to move this pick if they could draft him (like proposes in this scenario). They need C’s,

    I like lundell a lot and would take him 100 times out of 100 over getting a 21st and 22nd OA pick.

    You’d have to give more of an incentive to trade down 11-12 spots.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 8:52 a.m.
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    Quoting: SammyT_51
    Yup. But I understand why people are low on Lundell (missed WJC, missed some other tourneys with injuries), so it makes sense he is low in experts rankings (who depend a TON on international tournaments and it is so apparent its not even funny). Im pretty damn high on Lundell and maybe its a bit of a bias but really should be at minimum a top-5 player. Maybe the injury downgrades his stock, missed tournaments etc.. dunno man. But some team is getting a top line center in him.


    It's all part of it though, right? You take all the items known to date and you value the prospect. Combine champions vs International tournament studs vs regular season studs. Missing tournaments doesn't make Lundell any worse a player, but he's essentially standing inplace when other guys get an opportunity to shine...like Stutzle's huge rise since a year ago.

    I had Bowen Byram as my #3OA pick last year. I'm a Hawks fan. I love that I was very likely wrong. I honestly don't know if we could go back and redraft just a few months ago....if he'd be a top 10 pick anymore.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 9:04 a.m.
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    Quoting: jslongo
    How about the trade I made for the 10th OA pick value wise?


    It really depends on what team is drafting ~10th. Right now the Jets are listed as 10th OA but with the fluster cluck the middle of the standings is right now that could change in a week. The best way to look at it ask what teams need a top line talent and what teams have that/ will have in their current prospect pool and would rather trade down for upgrading depth. I could see Chicago trading down, Columbus too (due to lack of picks after last year). Due to WPG's center depth issues and now defense depth I would expect them to hold 10 OA
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 9:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: exo2769
    It's all part of it though, right? You take all the items known to date and you value the prospect. Combine champions vs International tournament studs vs regular season studs. Missing tournaments doesn't make Lundell any worse a player, but he's essentially standing inplace when other guys get an opportunity to shine...like Stutzle's huge rise since a year ago.

    I had Bowen Byram as my #3OA pick last year. I'm a Hawks fan. I love that I was very likely wrong. I honestly don't know if we could go back and redraft just a few months ago....if he'd be a top 10 pick anymore.


    Its all part of it, thats true. You combine all the things and put it together to work it out as best as possible and when you put all things together, Lundell is that great of a player. He shined at WJC last year as barely 17yr old. Nobody knows that because thats just far back for those experts. Lundells defensive game is consistently the best of this draft and his offense is on par with both Laine and Kakko in their draft years. I dont get why he is so undervalued. Stutzle is on par with him tbh. Tim is incredible.
    Feb. 3, 2020 at 9:30 a.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    Why aren't Sanderson and Guhle 1st rounders?


    he hates Guhle for whatever reason, maybe be banged his gf idfk but almost every website (and Bob Mackenzie) have him in the 1st round
     
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