Awful for the Ducks. Doesn’t even come close to fair value and doesn’t consider our needs.

You're a rebuilding team, you need young guys and picks, this does that.

That being said, the value isn't there for Manson. He's slwoing down, but he's still worth more than 2 3rd liners, and an AHLer, even with Holl going the other way

So what do you consider fair value for Manson??? All the people talk on this site about Leafs fans overvaluing their players, yet I don’t hear any recommendations when another team’s fan thinks their team is getting fleeced.

I thought that this site tried to accomplish good dialogue. I guess I was wrong.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ritchie and Manson tonight. Gotta see why so many Leafs and non Leaf fans think those two guys are Lucic (in this prime) and Chelios that are going to lead the Leafs to a Cup.

No, we’re a retooling team. We haven’t traded everyone away and started again. We’re just transitioning past Getzlafs era.

We’re an elite forward or 2 away from being competitive again. Far easier to get good forward prospects than D-men and they progress quicker, so we’re better off keeping our solid D-core and building the front out. Already got a true 1D in Lindholm and an elite netminder Gibson. Just need an elite 1C (maybe Zegras?) and maybe an elite W (Laf? Raymond? Etc.) to get this team turned around.



Start with Liljegren and keep adding if you want Manson. He’s only 28, has term left at a good rate, brings a unique skill set and is well-liked in the organisation. We’d need a replacement coming back + significant extras to even consider moving Manson.

You are further away than that. Gibson is the best goalie in the league fine. Agree there.
The D core with Lindholm and Fowler still has a hole in the top 4, and that bottom pair is still a mess.
Your forward core, you need centres. You need wingers. Silfverberg is good for a middle six winger. Rakell ditto. Kase when healthy is an elite winger. You need 5 more wingers and 4 more C's. That's not a retooling team, that's a rebuilder. Montreal are retooling. They have a lack of a star forward, but they have the rest. You are a rebuilder. You are better off tearing apart that D core and targetting prospects. Kase and Rakell are young enough to withstand a rebuild. You need to rip silfverberg away from the bone, move Manson and listen to anyone else who has value. You can delude yourself into thinking you only have forward issues, but if you take a step away from the team and look with your brain and not your heart, the issues become more obvious.

Whatever mate... you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. So even with Zegras (a potential 1C), Steel (a potential 2C), Lundestrom (a potential 3C) coming through we still need 4Cs? What a load of BS. Rakell is a legit 1st line winger, kase is only 24, and we have Comtois (potential 2nd liner), Jones (potential bottom 6er), and Terry (potential top 6 RW) all coming through, but we still need 5 more wingers. Just a load of rubbish.

We could do with an elite W prospect and maybe another elite C in case Zegras doesn’t make it. That’s it. Maybe add a RHD 3rd pairing D-man and PP specialist, but the D is solid for now (could change after Seattle draft) and our netminding is solid with strong prospects coming through.

Teams full of kids never pan out. You need veterans to guide/protect prospects and show them how to win. We’re not going to ice a bunch of prospects and just hope for the best. That’s what EDM did and it doesn’t work.

You’re going to be disappointed if that’s what you’re expecting them to do. Doesn’t mean their not good players and wouldn’t improve TOR though.

Kid, here's a fun fact for you. 3/4 prospects don't pan out. You have a nice pool, doesn't mean everyone works. You need to add more to that pool, because underneath the high end talent there really isn't a lot. I don't know what I'm talking about? I'VE WATCH A TEAM TRY TO RETOOL FOR A DECADE. I can tell you whole heartedly, you need to rip it apart and try again, You need vets, yes. You can sign then in free agency. You have the California factor too to attract them. So shut the hell up about your kids, I've said what Rakell and Kase are. I love them both. But relying on kids for the rest of it is a big nope. You ever heard the saying "you don't rely on kids, you get surprised by them"? That's what ANA need to do because there is a lot of kids that won't pan out. I am 100% certain one of the prospects for your top 6 won't progress out of the bottom six, and one of your bottom 6 won't make the NHL etc etc. Probably more than 1. You need to rebuild because you need more than what you have.

You’re clueless! No one drafts expecting kids to bust. Does it happen? Sure, but no one drafts 1st rounders thinking “he’s probably going to bust so we better get another 4 or 5 prospects in the same position just in case”. Stupid logic. In any event, ANA has an excellent scouting system and has drafted well with low-end picks. We need an elite talent or two upfront, which can be added easily with a couple down seasons.

I don’t care what you say:

Rakell - Byfield/Stützle - Terry/elite RW
Comtois - Zegras - Silfverberg
Ritchie - Steel - Kase
Jones - Grant - Lundestrom

Lindholm - Manson
Fowler - Gudbranson
Larsson/Mahura - RHD PP specialist

Gibson - Dostal

Is a solid line-up with extremely strong C depth and a solid back-end. Could improvements be made? Sure! And I’m sure they will (a C would need to be moved for RW or improvements at RD), but the idea that a line-up like the above would need an additional 3Cs and 5Ws just in case Byfield/Stützle/whoever we draft in 2020/ Zegras/Steel might bust is just wrong and not how teams are built. If you want to be a cynic, go ahead. However, if I follow your logic than I’d need multiple 1st round picks for Manson because it’s likely that they bust and I need to be sure I get something out the deal, right?

P.S. TOR sucked at drafting for years. They had no choice, but to strip it all back and start again. ANA isn’t in that position. We have drafted very well I.e. Rakell, Steel, Gibson, Comtois, Terry, Kase, all drafted with low-end picks, so no thanks on going for a full rebuild. 1 or 2 elite assets is all we need and we’re back in playoff contention.

Congratulations with that team of kids, you may finish 7th in the pacific! You're so f*cking dumb, I'm not even gonna waste my time with you anymore. You're deliberatly playing a fool, or you're intentionally misinterpreting what I'm saying.. Either way I'm done with you

Yeah, go away you ****. “3/4 of all prospects don’t pan out”. Yeah, if you include 7th rounders. Comtois, Steel, Zegras, Jones, are all 1st and 2nd rounders. LMFAO at 3/4 of all 1st and 2nd rounders not planning out.

Funny how when Matthews was drafted he was straight in the line-up and contributing. The following season he was ahead of JT. But if ANA drafted a top C prospect they’re just kids and will suck for years. Also, it’s not a team of kids: Lindholm, Rakell, Henrique (left him out, but he’ll be around), Silfverberg, Gibson, Manson, Fowler, Gudbranson, Grant. We could also trade some of the younger guys who don’t fit the team for older, more experienced players. Really not seeing the issue with age. We’re going through a transition period and changing our core... of course they’re going to be kids! Don’t see many elite Cs on the market these days ****.

ANA isn’t TOR. We have drafted well with low picks. Get over it kid. We don’t need a rebuild like your ****ty team did.

I have an awful, terrible, very bad, no good, horrible dilemma tonight -- root for my feckless once-mighty Ducks, or root for Campbell to pitch a shutout?

Screw it. Anaheim's season is lost. I'll back Jack.

P.S. It will be interesting to see what our respective perspectives on the game are afterwards.

Behind the prospects already mentioned in @mytduxfan 's comment (Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom, Comtois, Jones and Terry), we have Brayden Tracey, Benoit-Olivier Groulx, Antoine Morand, Blake McLaughlin and Daniel Sprong, a pool that compares pretty well to your 7 top prospects (Kuokkanen, Puistola, Suzuki, Mattheos, Drury, Bokk and Geekie), none of whom have appeared yet in the NHL. If we have one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft, we're likely to get another top forward prospect unless management prefers Jamie Drysdale. So myt and I disagree with your contention that we need to add to that pool beyond our first-rounder this year. Plus our top two goaltender prospects (Dostal and Boyle) match up pretty well with your top two (Nedljkovic and Kochetkov). In short, we don't expect to be wandering in the wilderness as long as your team has.

I don't mean to correct you, but in terms of Prospects Carolina also have Bean, Priskie, and the better Honka brother. I don't know if you're strictly talking about forwards, but if not, you missed 2 of our 3 blue chip guys. Zegras is yet to do anything, I'd need to wait to see him reach the NHL before I depended on him. Steel Comtois Jones and Terry are nice, but all of them have probably 2nd line upside. I'm not saying that's bad but there's no Eichel or Kuznetzov in that mix. There is no replacement for Getzlaf. As for our prospects not appearing in the NHL, Kuokkanan has. Also, Calling Drury a top prospect of ours and missing out someone like Gautheir who's been destroying the AHL is either a bad mistake, or you've had a genuine "I forgot he existed moment". In terms of the goalies, I have seen neither Anaheim goalie play, I'll be honest, but according to reports, Kochetkov is ment to be a top 5 goalie prospect, which..... there's not exactly a lot of comparables too. I don't know if I agree with that, but besides the point.

Tl:dr : There's still holes in the prospect pool, major ones. Ones that you can't fix "on the fly", you need to tear it down to get a Svechnikov level player

So many errors . . .

Yes, I was restricting the discussion to offense, i.e., forwards.

I didn't "miss" Gauthier because he's appeared in a number of NHL games. Have you forgotten how you acquired him?

Speaking of "missing," apparently you missed Dostal's performance and the WJC.

Zegras is expected to be the replacement for Getzlaf.

As to your last sentence, what if Anaheim wins one of the lotteries in May?