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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 8, 2020
Published: Feb. 8, 2020
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20$81,500,000$78,927,977$0$70,000$2,572,023
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$10,893,000$10,893,000
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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$925,000$925,000
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UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
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G
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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$675,000$675,000
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
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Feb. 8, 2020 at 4:17 a.m.
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MTL laugh to death at the phone
Feb. 8, 2020 at 5:30 a.m.
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Interesting. What do MTL fans think Petry is worth, exactly? Or, maybe more importantly, what pieces need to be part of the return for Petry?
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Feb. 8, 2020 at 8:26 a.m.
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An overpay for 1.5 years of Petry. Certainly hurts the LHD of the Leafs, especially with Reilly still out for a month.
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Feb. 8, 2020 at 8:31 a.m.
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Yea cause you wanna be a bad team. Leaf's will never trade with Montreal
Feb. 8, 2020 at 8:44 a.m.
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Interesting. What do MTL fans think Petry is worth, exactly? Or, maybe more importantly, what pieces need to be part of the return for Petry?


I'd take something similar to the Pacioretty deal, probably on the slightly higher side. I figure he should fetch more considering the extra year on the contract balances out being allowed to negotiate prior to the deal being finalized, MTL could retain to the same cap hit or lower if needed, top 4 RD are more valuable than top 6 LW, Pacioretty was known to be the odd man out and although he was a bit younger he was turning 30 that coming season while coming off an injured shortened season that was already a down year based on his production.
Pacioretty deal was a lesser player with a bit of extra term to act as a fill in, which is what Tatar was at the time, a high end prospect at a position of need (Suzuki) and a 2nd. So comparing that to this trade, Dermott would fill the Tatar role, Johnsson is a 3LW with some term which isn't a huge need for MTL but in relation to their needs he swaps in for the 2nd rounder, so the Leafs would need to add a high end prospect at whatever position MTL feels is the most in need of help (depending on how high they are on their current LD prospect pool, and their confidence in Caufield, Poehling and KK, I would say RD would be the position they'd have the most interest in if that helps).
I doubt a team pays enough to pry Petry out of MTL this season or offseason since they don't have a sure replacement for his minutes, never mind replacing his production, and management thinks they can make playoffs nexts season. This is the kind of deal I think it would take though.
Feb. 8, 2020 at 9:52 a.m.
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I'd take something similar to the Pacioretty deal, probably on the slightly higher side. I figure he should fetch more considering the extra year on the contract balances out being allowed to negotiate prior to the deal being finalized, MTL could retain to the same cap hit or lower if needed, top 4 RD are more valuable than top 6 LW, Pacioretty was known to be the odd man out and although he was a bit younger he was turning 30 that coming season while coming off an injured shortened season that was already a down year based on his production.
Pacioretty deal was a lesser player with a bit of extra term to act as a fill in, which is what Tatar was at the time, a high end prospect at a position of need (Suzuki) and a 2nd. So comparing that to this trade, Dermott would fill the Tatar role, Johnsson is a 3LW with some term which isn't a huge need for MTL but in relation to their needs he swaps in for the 2nd rounder, so the Leafs would need to add a high end prospect at whatever position MTL feels is the most in need of help (depending on how high they are on their current LD prospect pool, and their confidence in Caufield, Poehling and KK, I would say RD would be the position they'd have the most interest in if that helps).
I doubt a team pays enough to pry Petry out of MTL this season or offseason since they don't have a sure replacement for his minutes, never mind replacing his production, and management thinks they can make playoffs nexts season. This is the kind of deal I think it would take though.


Pacioretty was coming off a poor year but was something like 8th in goal scoring over the 5 years before you traded him. Petry is a good but not great dman.
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Feb. 8, 2020 at 9:53 a.m.
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This is an overpay by the Leafs. Petry isn't a stud. He's good but not great and only has 1 year left beyond this one
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Feb. 8, 2020 at 10:37 a.m.
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This is an overpay by the Leafs. Petry isn't a stud. He's good but not great and only has 1 year left beyond this one


2021 1st ( unprotect ) + Nick Robertson vs Petry ( half retained ) nothing less
Feb. 8, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
Interesting. What do MTL fans think Petry is worth, exactly? Or, maybe more importantly, what pieces need to be part of the return for Petry?


2021 1st unprotect + Nick Robertson vs Petry half retained
Feb. 8, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.
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Pacioretty was coming off a poor year but was something like 8th in goal scoring over the 5 years before you traded him. Petry is a good but not great dman.


I look at Petry's stats, 22nd in goals and 30th in points among all defensmen since 15-16 and what he is doing this season, and see a top pairing offensive defensman at the peak of his career, while Pacioretty was a top line winger who didn't really have the support to show whether he was great or just a great goal scorer. Taking into account the value of the positions and that Pacioretty was more of a gamble than Petry would be, due to needing to bounce back from a pretty decent injury while closing in on 30, I would put their trade value as similar, maybe leaning towards Petry as I said, due to Pacioretty's split with management and MTL's current lack of replacement for Petry when management is talking about trying to make playoffs next season. You view Petry differently, and seem to view the likelyhood of Pacioretty bouncing back as almost a sure thing.
Like I said, I doubt any team, especially one not lacking in scoring like Toronto, would pay what would be required to get him from MTL this season.
Feb. 8, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
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2021 1st ( unprotect ) + Nick Robertson vs Petry ( half retained ) nothing less


I would not trade more than an unprotected first*** for Petry

(***Note I would trade more than a first if I were a cemented playoff team this year, and was confident it would be like 22nd or later. Like if Tampa or Boston or St Louis traded their first this year)
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Feb. 8, 2020 at 11:08 a.m.
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I look at Petry's stats, 22nd in goals and 30th in points among all defensmen since 15-16 and what he is doing this season, and see a top pairing offensive defensman at the peak of his career, while Pacioretty was a top line winger who didn't really have the support to show whether he was great or just a great goal scorer. Taking into account the value of the positions and that Pacioretty was more of a gamble than Petry would be, due to needing to bounce back from a pretty decent injury while closing in on 30, I would put their trade value as similar, maybe leaning towards Petry as I said, due to Pacioretty's split with management and MTL's current lack of replacement for Petry when management is talking about trying to make playoffs next season. You view Petry differently, and seem to view the likelyhood of Pacioretty bouncing back as almost a sure thing.
Like I said, I doubt any team, especially one not lacking in scoring like Toronto, would pay what would be required to get him from MTL this season.


Pacioretty was underappreciated in Montreal. He was literally like a top 8 winger in the league in his last 5 years there. Its crazy.

Anyway, I think you look at the Muzzin trade, but I think Muzzin was a little better.

So a late first (not this nonsense of an unprotected future first) and two good second tier prospects, but honestly Muzzin is better, so maybe the first and one second tier prospect.
Feb. 8, 2020 at 11:28 a.m.
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Pacioretty was underappreciated in Montreal. He was literally like a top 8 winger in the league in his last 5 years there. Its crazy.

Anyway, I think you look at the Muzzin trade, but I think Muzzin was a little better.

So a late first (not this nonsense of an unprotected future first) and two good second tier prospects, but honestly Muzzin is better, so maybe the first and one second tier prospect.


Muzzin was also on a team that had admitted defeat and started selling. MTL's management has already stated they believe that injury derailed the season and they can make the playoffs next season, so why would they accept the same value for a similar player when it's outright hurting their goal, instead of helping like in the case of LA. The Muzzin trade can be a good base, but your adding to it, not subtracting, because the teams management groups have different goals and therefore require different returns. The trade I put forward wasn't one that I thought would be fair in a vacuum, I was stating what I believe would be required for MTL to move Petry at this point.
Feb. 8, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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Muzzin was also on a team that had admitted defeat and started selling. MTL's management has already stated they believe that injury derailed the season and they can make the playoffs next season, so why would they accept the same value for a similar player when it's outright hurting their goal, instead of helping like in the case of LA. The Muzzin trade can be a good base, but your adding to it, not subtracting, because the teams management groups have different goals and therefore require different returns. The trade I put forward wasn't one that I thought would be fair in a vacuum, I was stating what I believe would be required for MTL to move Petry at this point.


Then I doubt he's moved
 
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