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Flames Gaudreau plus

Created by: Flamedreamer
Initial Creation Date: Feb 8, 2020
Published: Feb 8 at 9:10 pm
Team: 2019-20 Philadelphia Flyers
Trades
PHI
  1. Gaudreau, Johnny
  2. Karnaukhov, Pavel [Reserve List]
  3. Mattson, Mitchell [Reserve List]
  4. Foo, Spencer [Reserve List]
CGY
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  2. Hägg, Robert
  3. Patrick, Nolan
  4. Attard, Ronnie [Reserve List]
  5. 2020 1st round pick (PHI)
Buyouts
  • Andrew MacDonald: $1,166,667
  • David Schlemko: $900,000
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Radko Gudas: $1,005,000 (30%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PHI
PHI
NSH
PHI
PHI
PHI
MTL
2021
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
2022
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,370,912$0$532,500$129,088
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PHI
Giroux, Claude
$8,275,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
PHI
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 3
PHI
Konecny, Travis
$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
CGY
Gaudreau, Johnny
$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 3
PHI
Hayes, Kevin
$7,142,857
C
NMC
UFA - 7
PHI
Voracek, Jakub
$8,250,000
RW
UFA - 5
PHI
van Riemsdyk, James
$7,000,000
LW
UFA - 4
PHI
Frost, Morgan
$863,333
C
RFA - 3
PHI
Pitlick, Tyler
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
PHI
Farabee, Joel
$925,000
LW
RFA - 3
PHI
Laughton, Scott
$2,300,000
C
UFA - 2
PHI
Raffl, Michael
$1,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PHI
Provorov, Ivan
$6,750,000
LD
UFA - 6
PHI
Niskanen, Matt
$5,750,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
PHI
Hart, Carter
$730,833
G
RFA - 2
PHI
Morin, Samuel
$700,000
LD
RFA - 2
PHI
Braun, Justin
$3,800,000
RD
UFA - 1
PHI
Elliott, Brian
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
PHI
Sanheim, Travis
$3,250,000
RD
RFA - 2
PHI
Myers, Philippe
$678,889
RD
RFA - 1
PHI
Prosser, Nate
$700,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Feb 8 at 9:15
#1
CGY
Joined: Dec 2015
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If you’re a Flames fan that isn’t a Brodie fan, then you definitely want no part of Ghost.

Not sure why Karnakhov, Mattson or Foo are included, none of them have any value
Billy739 liked this.
Feb 8 at 9:24
#2
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 175
Likes: 14
Quoting: ItWasIn
If you’re a Flames fan that isn’t a Brodie fan, then you definitely want no part of Ghost.

Not sure why Karnakhov, Mattson or Foo are included, none of them have any value


Even out contracts also would trade ghost right after just put him in to balance cap
Feb 8 at 9:28
#3
Billy739
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,183
Likes: 1,020
Flyers counter

Couturier, Vailyev, Mattson ,and Bernhardt (player with equal potential to what was offered )
for
Hanifin , Stone ,Jakob Pelltier (and a 1st because you got no prospect with Patrick's value or even close ) , Koumontizs and a 1st .
Feb 8 at 9:30
#4
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 175
Likes: 14
Quoting: Billy739
Flyers counter

Couturier, Vailyev, Mattson ,and Bernhardt (player with equal potential to what was offered )
for
Hanifin , Stone ,Jakob Pelltier (and a 1st because you got no prospect with Patrick's value or even close ) , Koumontizs and a 1st .


Sure I take that for Couturier
Feb 8 at 9:34
#5
Billy739
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,183
Likes: 1,020
Quoting: Flamedreamer
Sure I take that for Couturier


that would be two 1st because you got not a single prospect close to Patrick and your top prospects a midget on an all star team where i live and at best might be a less productive Connor Garland .

Hanifin , and two 1st's is more or less the cost with the other players on either side washing eachother out for argument sake.
you dont think that's high for a 26 year old Center ? ( i mean i love Sean and what he does for our NB Junior hockey practicing with different QMJHL teams during the summer to train and motivate young Nb'ers but that seems steep )
Feb 8 at 10:39
#6
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 266
Likes: 70
This trade makes no sense for both sides.
Feb 8 at 11:59
#7
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 175
Likes: 14
Quoting: Billy739
that would be two 1st because you got not a single prospect close to Patrick and your top prospects a midget on an all star team where i live and at best might be a less productive Connor Garland .

Hanifin , and two 1st's is more or less the cost with the other players on either side washing eachother out for argument sake.
you dont think that's high for a 26 year old Center ? ( i mean i love Sean and what he does for our NB Junior hockey practicing with different QMJHL teams during the summer to train and motivate young Nb'ers but that seems steep )


I think your overvaluing Patrick a little dont get me wrong I think hes great and we dont know what we are going to get after almost a year of not playing
Feb 9 at 12:00
#8
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 175
Likes: 14
Quoting: Billy739
that would be two 1st because you got not a single prospect close to Patrick and your top prospects a midget on an all star team where i live and at best might be a less productive Connor Garland .

Hanifin , and two 1st's is more or less the cost with the other players on either side washing eachother out for argument sake.
you dont think that's high for a 26 year old Center ? ( i mean i love Sean and what he does for our NB Junior hockey practicing with different QMJHL teams during the summer to train and motivate young Nb'ers but that seems steep )


I added all the players to balance cap and contracts
Feb 9 at 12:35
#9
Billy739
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,183
Likes: 1,020
Quoting: Flamedreamer
I think your overvaluing Patrick a little dont get me wrong I think hes great and we dont know what we are going to get after almost a year of not playing


then dont trade for him as there's no more of a chance they trade their former #2 OA Center anymore then MTL would Kotkanemi .


alright all jokes aside you want JG i'd say you're looking at this for a player who's career low is 60 pts :

Gostisbhere, O'brien , Fedotov , and a 1st

i mean what would PHI have given up Vorachek in his prime for ?
to me that's what you're asking CGY to do .

this trade gives both teams value especially CGY because they get a top 4 NHL D for today , a young player who was smart enough to hit reset after a rough college year returning to bchl for his last year of junior before joining a superior college program in BOS University which will help him reach middle 6 projections and maybe more , a very consistent big bodied KHL goalie with impressive career numbers thus far, and a 1st because PHI didnt give up a single one of their top 3 prospects giving up projects who will need 2-3 years to get transitioned to the NHL so the 1st is important .

PHI gives up only 1 roster player in Ghost and add a top line player on any contender .
Gaudreau-Giroux-Koenechy(capable of multi 80-90 point players if not more)
JVR-Couturier-Vorachek(capable of multi 50-60 point players if not more )
Feb 9 at 1:24
#10
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 175
Likes: 14
Quoting: Billy739
then dont trade for him as there's no more of a chance they trade their former #2 OA Center anymore then MTL would Kotkanemi .


alright all jokes aside you want JG i'd say you're looking at this for a player who's career low is 60 pts :

Gostisbhere, O'brien , Fedotov , and a 1st

i mean what would PHI have given up Vorachek in his prime for ?
to me that's what you're asking CGY to do .

this trade gives both teams value especially CGY because they get a top 4 NHL D for today , a young player who was smart enough to hit reset after a rough college year returning to bchl for his last year of junior before joining a superior college program in BOS University which will help him reach middle 6 projections and maybe more , a very consistent big bodied KHL goalie with impressive career numbers thus far, and a 1st because PHI didnt give up a single one of their top 3 prospects giving up projects who will need 2-3 years to get transitioned to the NHL so the 1st is important .

PHI gives up only 1 roster player in Ghost and add a top line player on any contender .
Gaudreau-Giroux-Koenechy(capable of multi 80-90 point players if not more)
JVR-Couturier-Vorachek(capable of multi 50-60 point players if not more )


You won't get Gaudreau for a bunch of projects even ghost is not great so it a mid first a alright dman and a bunch of maybes probably nots.

He also won't be sold on what hes done In one done in one down season it will be on his previous 5 years of work and his 2 1/2 year cheek cap hit
 
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