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Martinez yeeeeee

Created by: Canucks_Fan69
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 9, 2020
Published: Feb. 9, 2020
Team: 2019-20 Vegas Golden Knights
Team Explanation
Fair or not?
Trades
1.
VGK
  1. Martinez, Alec ($1,800,000 retained)
  2. 2020 6th round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Zykov, Valentin
  2. Holden, Nick
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (PIT)
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tomas Tatar: $500,000 (9%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$78,333,333$0$2,570,000$3,166,667
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Marchessault, Jonathan
$5,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
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Stastny, Paul
$6,500,000
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Stone, Mark
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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Pacioretty, Max
$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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Stephenson, Chandler
$1,050,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Smith, Reilly
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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Carrier, William
$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Eakin, Cody
$3,850,000
C
UFA - 1
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Tuch, Alex
$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 7
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Nosek, Tomas
$1,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Roy, Nicolas
$720,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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Reaves, Ryan
$2,775,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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McNabb, Brayden
$2,500,000
LD
UFA - 3
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Schmidt, Nate
$5,950,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 6
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Fleury, Marc-André
$3,500,000
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Martinez, Alec
$2,200,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Theodore, Shea
$5,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 6
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Subban, Malcolm
$850,000
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UFA - 1
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Merrill, Jon
$1,375,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Whitecloud, Zach
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Engelland, Deryk
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Karlsson, William
$5,900,000
C
UFA - 8
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Glass, Cody
$863,333
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Feb. 9, 2020 at 9:05 p.m.
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Kings don’t want holden or Zykov. Especially to retain. That second rounder and a young prospect gets him. Holden and Zykov don’t fit what they are looking for
Feb. 9, 2020 at 9:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Kings989
Kings don’t want holden or Zykov. Especially to retain. That second rounder and a young prospect gets him. Holden and Zykov don’t fit what they are looking for


I think it could take just the 2nd rounder, or maybe a way lesser prospect. They wouldn't need retention though. But Merrill might go back for cap and to give LA a defenseman they can play.

I wouldn't want Holden included, he's been good this season, probably almost as good as we would expect from Martinez.

We can't afford to give him up, we need all the help we can get on the back, it's been Theodore breaking out, Holden being surprisingly solid for who he's been and everyone else having disappointing seasons to varying degrees.
Feb. 9, 2020 at 9:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Vegan_Knight
I think it could take just the 2nd rounder, or maybe a way lesser prospect. They wouldn't need retention though. But Merrill might go back for cap and to give LA a defenseman they can play.

I wouldn't want Holden included, he's been good this season, probably almost as good as we would expect from Martinez.

We can't afford to give him up, we need all the help we can get on the back, it's been Theodore breaking out, Holden being surprisingly solid for who he's been and everyone else having disappointing seasons to varying degrees.


No way Martinez goes to a division rival for only a 2nd rounder with a "way lesser" prospect. You're looking at a 2020 2nd and Elvenes, minimum, or the Kings will trade him to a team outside the division. Winnipeg is reportedly very interested in his services as well, and likely would give up a 2nd and Logan Stanley. Vegas would have to beat that offer by a fairly large margin.
Feb. 9, 2020 at 10:17 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
No way Martinez goes to a division rival for only a 2nd rounder with a "way lesser" prospect. You're looking at a 2020 2nd and Elvenes, minimum, or the Kings will trade him to a team outside the division. Winnipeg is reportedly very interested in his services as well, and likely would give up a 2nd and Logan Stanley. Vegas would have to beat that offer by a fairly large margin.


He's a good 5D, 4D in a pinch. There's no way he goes for all that much. This divisional rival thing is nothing. He's only signed next season and is already 32. Him being in the division does not burn the Kings at all, they won't be good for that time anyway. He's on the block to get what they can, they won't care about equal packages, especially if Martinez indicates a preference.

Teams care about doing right by their players (it gets you a better reputation for future players and shows loyalty to the players who have done you well) and if he had the choice, he surely picks Vegas.

If Winnipeg were willing to offer more Vegas could surely get DeMelo or Vatanen for a 2nd and marginal prospect, no worries there.
Feb. 9, 2020 at 10:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Vegan_Knight
He's a good 5D, 4D in a pinch. There's no way he goes for all that much. This divisional rival thing is nothing. He's only signed next season and is already 32. Him being in the division does not burn the Kings at all, they won't be good for that time anyway. He's on the block to get what they can, they won't care about equal packages, especially if Martinez indicates a preference.

Teams care about doing right by their players (it gets you a better reputation for future players and shows loyalty to the players who have done you well) and if he had the choice, he surely picks Vegas.

If Winnipeg were willing to offer more Vegas could surely get DeMelo or Vatanen for a 2nd and marginal prospect, no worries there.


The divisional rival thing is very much not nothing. Sure the Kings are not going to be good for a long time, but it's not in their best interest to help out their divisional opponents. The fact that they're going to be bad for a while is the only reason why they would consider trading Martinez to Vegas at all, but you better believe that they're going to add a premium price tag to it.

DeMelo and Vatanen are both rentals. Martinez has another entire year remaining on his contract. They are not remotely comparable. Kings are likely to retain a large portion of his salary as well, meaning they'll be getting him at a very team friendly cost next season. Whereas a player like Vatanen would need a new contract negotiated on the open market with term to keep him around.

You can look at the trade market through golden-colored goggles if you want, but if this is the deal they're offering for Martinez, they're not getting Martinez.
Feb. 9, 2020 at 11:07 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
The divisional rival thing is very much not nothing. Sure the Kings are not going to be good for a long time, but it's not in their best interest to help out their divisional opponents. The fact that they're going to be bad for a while is the only reason why they would consider trading Martinez to Vegas at all, but you better believe that they're going to add a premium price tag to it.

DeMelo and Vatanen are both rentals. Martinez has another entire year remaining on his contract. They are not remotely comparable. Kings are likely to retain a large portion of his salary as well, meaning they'll be getting him at a very team friendly cost next season. Whereas a player like Vatanen would need a new contract negotiated on the open market with term to keep him around.

You can look at the trade market through golden-colored goggles if you want, but if this is the deal they're offering for Martinez, they're not getting Martinez.


I think this isn't goggles. Teams don't care about the divisional thing unless it's going to impact them. This wouldn't. They don't want to be good this season or next season and Martinez isn't the caliber of player you care about with that. Some fans may throw a fuss for a day and then move on.

Him having another year isn't that much of a difference. The player will be 34 if you gave him another contract, so you know you most likely are not getting more from him than that year. It's one season and he is right now somewhat overpaid to what he would bring to a Cup contending team. If they retain that's nice but it still wouldn't be this steal of a deal. A 2nd and C-prospect is probably around the value.

If Vegas got him, then I'm fine with that, if not, I'm happy with that also. There's plenty of RHD that Vegas actually needs badly available in UFA and Vegas hasn't been a team that has had to overpay to get players here.
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