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Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Feb 9, 2020
Published: Feb 9 at 10:31 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (VAN)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
TOR
  1. Manson, Josh
ANA
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. Kokkonen, Mikko [Reserve List]
  4. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
  5. 2020 2nd round pick (VAN)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
VAN
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$79,810,199$0$400,000$1,689,801
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
ANA
Manson, Josh
$4,100,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Feb 9 at 10:34
#1
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Replace Holl with Liljegren
Feb 9 at 10:36
#2
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Replace Holl with Liljegren


Leafs don't do it.
Feb 9 at 10:37
#3
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Replace Holl with Liljegren


Its already an overpay lol

Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
Leafs don't do it.


Leafs already don't do it.
Feb 9 at 10:42
#4
HadesOfSocal
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What
Feb 9 at 10:52
#5
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Overpay for Manson and Kerfoot has more value to the Leafs than that.
Feb 9 at 11:00
#6
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
Leafs don't do it.


Leafs don't do this trade as is. They aren't trading Holl weeks after extending him, they aren't trading Robertson, a 1 and a 2 included? The coat is going to be Liljegren+. Probably Kappy. That's a price they should be willing to pay.
Feb 10 at 12:06
#7
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
Leafs don't do it.


Probably not, it is an overpay but the point is without a replacement there is almost no interest in ANA moving him
Feb 10 at 2:04
#8
GM - Avalanche
Joined: Dec 2016
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There is no way that Leafs trade Robertson as he is absolutely lighting up the OHL this year and may be arriving to Leafs much sooner than expected.
Feb 10 at 2:19
#9
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Im hunting Manson from times when he really seem to be No.2 D with shutdown upside but this is blatant overpay for the state hes playing at the moment......
Feb 10 at 8:54
#10
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
Leafs don't do it.


They don't have much of a choice if they want Manson, Because that trash doesn't get him. Without Liljegren heading to Anaheim Manson wont be a Leaf.
Feb 10 at 8:55
#11
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: BCAPP
Overpay for Manson and Kerfoot has more value to the Leafs than that.


Overpay for Manson, That package is pure garbage. And Bob murray would block Dubas number if that was his offer for Manson.
Feb 10 at 10:01
#12
Joined: Dec 2019
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Overpay for Manson, That package is pure garbage. And Bob murray would block Dubas number if that was his offer for Manson.



I think you are delusional, Seriously. Robertson is one of the best prospects in the league this year. Holl is basically a Manson with far less experience and a d prospect and a first and a second. The ducks president would fire the gm if he found out he turned that package down and with all that being said I don't see the leafs moving Robertson or the first let alone both so clearly there is no deal to be done with a package like this
Feb 10 at 10:08
#13
Joined: Feb 2019
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LMAO does manson have beer flavored nipples HAHAHA like dudes maybe johnsson and a 3rd THATS IT. quit these BS trades
Feb 10 at 10:25
#14
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Overpay for Manson, That package is pure garbage. And Bob murray would block Dubas number if that was his offer for Manson.


?

A first, a cheaper defenseman who has been nearly as good this year, an a but not blue chip prospect and a good B prospect? How on earth is that garbage?

I'm not convinced Manson is worth much more than a first...
Feb 10 at 10:26
#15
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
They don't have much of a choice if they want Manson, Because that trash doesn't get him. Without Liljegren heading to Anaheim Manson wont be a Leaf.


This trade has significantly more value than Liljegren...
Feb 10 at 10:28
#16
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: TheOtherAuston
I think you are delusional, Seriously. Robertson is one of the best prospects in the league this year. Holl is basically a Manson with far less experience and a d prospect and a first and a second. The ducks president would fire the gm if he found out he turned that package down and with all that being said I don't see the leafs moving Robertson or the first let alone both so clearly there is no deal to be done with a package like this


Bottom line is Anaheim doesn't need more wingers, Holl with less experience then Manson and the exact same age isn't going to cut it. If Murray deals Manson he'll want a similar return for Manson RD and sorry Holl isn't it. Dude sorry you're not getting Manson for his. First off he's not even being shopped. Reportedly the Leafs have strong interest in him. Murray hasn't made him available. Down season or not Murray loves the guy and he's going to cost a pretty penny. This does nothing for the Ducks sorry but that's a pure fact. Murray would easily turn this down he doesn't have to move Manson anytime soon.
Feb 10 at 10:35
#17
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: BCAPP
?

A first, a cheaper defenseman who has been nearly as good this year, an a but not blue chip prospect and a good B prospect? How on earth is that garbage?

I'm not convinced Manson is worth much more than a first...


A cheaper RD same age with less NHL experience then Manson, Why would Murray be interested in that he needs a major shakeup at RD Manson is by far his best RD and Holl is nowhere near enough or close enough to what Bob Murray would want a RD for Manson that is a major downgrade. Yeah Manson is having a terrible season by his own standards. But so is then entire Anaheim team, Like i've stated numerous times before Manson isn't on the trade block and even Murray himself said that a team will absolutely have to blow him away with an offer to move Manson. And i'm sorry man this would not blow Murray away.
Feb 10 at 10:40
#18
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: BCAPP
This trade has significantly more value than Liljegren...


Sorry agree to disagree, Picks aren't that great Holl less value then Manson don't really care who Robertson is. This return isn't getting you Manson. Pretty sure at least one of Andreas Johnsson or Kasperi Kapanen would need to be added to peak Murray's interest.
Feb 10 at 10:42
#19
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Manson is nowhere near worth that.
Feb 10 at 12:08
#20
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Sorry agree to disagree, Picks aren't that great Holl less value then Manson don't really care who Robertson is. This return isn't getting you Manson. Pretty sure at least one of Andreas Johnsson or Kasperi Kapanen would need to be added to peak Murray's interest.


Robertson is a better prospect than Liljegren....
Feb 10 at 12:11
#21
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: BCAPP
Robertson is a better prospect than Liljegren....


If true, Then why not move Liljegren over Robertson?
Feb 10 at 12:23
#22
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
If true, Then why not move Liljegren over Robertson?


That's what we're saying this is an overpayment.
Feb 10 at 12:48
#23
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Sorry agree to disagree, Picks aren't that great Holl less value then Manson don't really care who Robertson is. This return isn't getting you Manson. Pretty sure at least one of Andreas Johnsson or Kasperi Kapanen would need to be added to peak Murray's interest.


Lololol "don't really care who Robertson is" man if you had any idea of value of prospects you would know Robertson is going to be far better kapanen or johnsson. For a team like the ducks they want prospects, not ready players due to the age of their team.

No one in this thread has said Manson is being shopped. The consensus is that it's a large overpayment. Manson is worth a defense prospect and a first or a roster player prospect and a second simple as that. Just because he is not being shopped doesn't mean his value is actually higher.
 
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