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Ducks trade

Created by: Jdubs44
Initial Creation Date: Feb 11, 2020
Published: Feb 11 at 3:41 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Manson, Josh
  2. Ritchie, Nick
ANA
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Bracco, Jeremy
  3. Barrie, Tyson
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$75,503,568$0$470,000$5,996,432
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
ANA
Ritchie, Nick
$1,498,925
LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Åberg, Pontus
$700,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
ANA
Manson, Josh
$4,100,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1

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Feb 11 at 3:42
#1
HadesOfSocal
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Nope
Feb 11 at 3:43
#2
Thread Starter
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Quoting: MDA_47
Nope


What do you know anyway
Feb 11 at 3:45
#3
Toronno Maple Leafs
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Dermott instead of Kerfoot. And prolly need a second + good prospect of first + meh prospect
Feb 11 at 3:45
#4
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2 valuable pieces for 3 pieces Toronto fans trade in every acgm.

If you're getting something you have to give something, Manson probably costs you liljegren or at very least higher picks
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Feb 11 at 3:45
#5
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Ik ducks say no but thank goodness, someone who understands we don't need more forwards

@swinny thinks we need more forwards because it can open up cap for a defenseman. If he had a brain if you want to bring a defenseman you should trade a forward for a defenseman
Feb 11 at 3:47
#6
HadesOfSocal
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Quoting: Jdubs44
What do you know anyway


I know that the Ducks need RHD. Not A LHD and second and third liners
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Feb 11 at 4:00
#7
Thread Starter
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Quoting: MDA_47
I know that the Ducks need RHD. Not A LHD and second and third liners


I didn’t have a d in the trade but I fixed it and added one this is fair
Feb 11 at 4:02
#8
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Quoting: JeffW
2 valuable pieces for 3 pieces Toronto fans trade in every acgm.

If you're getting something you have to give something, Manson probably costs you liljegren or at very least higher picks


Yes because a cost controlled top 6 forward that plays in all situations and a 60 point DMan making 2 mill and a PP specialist that's young enough to only get better isn't valuable...
Feb 11 at 4:04
#9
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I can't wait for the deadline to pass so we can stop hearing about how Manson is going to cost a top prospect, a 1st round pick and a roster player or two because he's so amazing.
Feb 11 at 4:07
#10
HadesOfSocal
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Quoting: Jdubs44
I didn’t have a d in the trade but I fixed it and added one this is fair


That’s a better trade.
Feb 11 at 4:13
#11
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
Ik ducks say no but thank goodness, someone who understands we don't need more forwards

@swinny thinks we need more forwards because it can open up cap for a defenseman. If he had a brain if you want to bring a defenseman you should trade a forward for a defenseman


Dude, shinny knows what he's talking about
Feb 11 at 4:16
#12
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Dude, shinny knows what he's talking about


I appreciate the support @Sign_em_up000000. Unfortunately, I have my detractors!

Should check out the banter we have going on here!
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/306112&post_id=1282862

You're input would be appreciated!
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Feb 11 at 4:34
#13
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Quoting: swinny
I appreciate the support @Sign_em_up000000. Unfortunately, I have my detractors!

Should check out the banter we have going on here!
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/306112&post_id=1282862

You're input would be appreciated!


LOl Your the first person who seems happy after receiving a like. And just for facts I have actually added him to my ignore list a while ago because of reasons
lol "lets trade for a 3rd line centre otherwise our team is going to suck"
Feb 11 at 4:36
#14
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Quoting: swinny
I appreciate the support @Sign_em_up000000. Unfortunately, I have my detractors!

Should check out the banter we have going on here!
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/306112&post_id=1282862

You're input would be appreciated!


Well I decided to take him of to see his points
Feb 11 at 4:40
#15
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Quoting: DJSums17
Yes because a cost controlled top 6 forward that plays in all situations and a 60 point DMan making 2 mill and a PP specialist that's young enough to only get better isn't valuable...


1. Hes edited the trade from the original
2. Johnsson got 65 pts collectively over let's say 1.5 seasons not to mention his numbers got a boost from the linemates he had in Toronto under babcock he wouldnt have in Anaheim.
3. Looking at the edited trade with barrie, unless hes resigned before the trade holds negative value as the ducks are already out of the playoff picture and have little use for a 60 pt pp specialist UFA on the golf course
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Feb 11 at 5:10
#16
First NY Then LA
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I know an appreciable segment of Leafs Nation doesn't like hearing this, but from Anaheim's perspective, the return from a Manson trade should be near the return from the Muzzin trade.

Manson is younger and signed for an additional year, but Muzzin is better on the ice. However, the Kings could afford to trade Muzzin (because they were going nowhere) and the Ducks have pretentions towards becoming relevant in 2021-2022, so they are less able to bear the loss of Manson.

So Anaheim fans want the equivalent of a first (Bjornfot = Liljegren), a near-NHL prospect (Grundstrom = Robertson), and someone off the Reserve List (Durzi = Kokkonen). That seems fair to us.

And sometimes the opposing team's fan base is right -- see the recent Zucker trade and go back though all the Minnesota fans' comments about the return other ACGM's were offering for him.
Feb 11 at 5:50
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Quoting: swinny
I appreciate the support @Sign_em_up000000. Unfortunately, I have my detractors!

Should check out the banter we have going on here!
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/306112&post_id=1282862

You're input would be appreciated!


I really like the NJ deal for both teams and the only thing I would say about the hawks deal is the black hawk fans that I've talked to would want Kapanen over Mango. I really like those trades tho, there simple and exactly what we need. You are definitely right in your argument with him.
Feb 11 at 5:51
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
LOl Your the first person who seems happy after receiving a like. And just for facts I have actually added him to my ignore list a while ago because of reasons
lol "lets trade for a 3rd line centre otherwise our team is going to suck"


What reasons?
Feb 11 at 5:51
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
Well I decided to take him of to see his points


And what was your previous handle?
Feb 11 at 6:04
#20
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
What reasons?


Previous ones
Feb 11 at 6:10
#21
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
Previous ones


What previous reasons?
Feb 11 at 6:47
#22
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
What previous reasons?


Il see if I could find it
Feb 11 at 7:00
#23
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
I really like the NJ deal for both teams and the only thing I would say about the hawks deal is the black hawk fans that I've talked to would want Kapanen over Mango. I really like those trades tho, there simple and exactly what we need. You are definitely right in your argument with him.


Thanks?. The Jersey deal seems really is just a good hockey deal in the long run I think. I would not be opposed to moving Kappy there. Seems the left side is suddenly the stronger of the two, but whether Mango or Kappy, the point is a guy like Murphy is what the doc ordered.
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Feb 11 at 7:08
#24
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
LOl Your the first person who seems happy after receiving a like. And just for facts I have actually added him to my ignore list a while ago because of reasons
lol "lets trade for a 3rd line centre otherwise our team is going to suck"


It's called appreciating constructive feedback for one.

Secondly, outside support telling you I know my stuff deserves the shout out.

It how one builds a rapport with fellow members of the site. @sign_em_up000000, grasshopper has much to learn.?
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Feb 11 at 7:10
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Quoting: swinny
It's called appreciating constructive feedback for one.

Secondly, outside support telling you I know my stuff deserves the shout out.

It how one builds a rapport with fellow members of the site. @sign_em_up000000, grasshopper has much to learn.?


ok got it anything else you would like to brag about?
 
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