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isles fans- price for pulock

Created by: leafs101
Initial Creation Date: Feb 12, 2020
Published: Feb 12 at 8:20 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I know he's not being shopped, but leafs need defence, isles need offence. just wondering how far off this is, as I don't know much about pulock, but I hear he's pretty good.
Other trades are to add defensive depth for this stretch run without rielly/ceci, and also there are bound to be injuries in the playoffs, so these guys may come in handy
Trades
TOR
  1. Pulock, Ryan
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (NYI)
  3. 2020 4th round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. 2022 7th round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Ceci, Cody
Additional Details:
get rid of, anywhere, anything. not because he's necessarily brutal but we just need the space for other things
TOR
  1. Thornton, Joe
SJS
  1. Bracco, Jeremy
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Hainsey, Ron ($1,750,000 retained)
OTT
  1. Gauthier, Frédérik
  2. Kivihalme, Teemu
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (NYI)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
VGK
NYI
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ANA
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$82,454,643$0$470,000-$954,643

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
SJS
Thornton, Joe
$2,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
NYI
Pulock, Ryan
$2,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
OTT
Hainsey, Ron
$1,750,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Marner, M.
Tavares, J.
Nylander, W.
Barrie, T.
Matthews, A.
Power Play 2
Hyman, Z.
Thornton, J.
Spezza, J.
Kerfoot, A.
Rielly, M.
Penalty Kill 1
Thornton, J.
Hyman, Z.
Muzzin, J.
Pulock, R.
Penalty Kill 2
Engvall, P.
Johnsson, A.
Rielly, M.
Hainsey, R.

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Feb 12 at 8:22
#1
Jangle29
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You dressed like 20 dmen
Feb 12 at 8:22
#2
GM - Avalanche
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Kappy is not going anywhere after his goal last night. He is a really big game hockey player and also a great penality killer who Leafs should not trade.
Feb 12 at 8:24
#3
Thread Starter
Leafs
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Quoting: TMLSage
Kappy is not going anywhere after his goal last night. He is a really big game hockey player and also a great penality killer who Leafs should not trade.


I'd trade him for a high end rhd any day of the week. engvall or Mikheyev could play in his spot and put up comparable numbers. the defensive issue is way bigger than the 3rd line RW spot, which could be filled by the majority of players on this team
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Feb 12 at 8:24
#4
Thread Starter
Leafs
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Quoting: Jangle29
You dressed like 20 dmen

not all actually dressed. just threw all the options on d into the d slot
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Feb 12 at 8:25
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Yeah that’s not even close. Pulock is the isles best dman (right now, Dobson will be their #1 in a few years) and they also are without pelech. You’d have to give up quite a bit to get Pulock.

Take the price you’re uncomfortable paying for him and add to it by a lot. The isles have absolutely no reason to move him so you’d have to pry him off that roster. Plus the isles are in win now mode so they’d need impact players now, which Pulock is so once again, you’d have to pry him off.
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Feb 12 at 8:26
#6
Isles777
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pulock is our #1 D , he isn't going anywhere. It would cost nylander and the leafs aren't trading him so pulock will never be a TML.
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Feb 12 at 8:27
#7
Thread Starter
Leafs
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Quoting: Isles777
pulock is our #1 D , he isn't going anywhere. It would cost nylander and the leafs aren't trading him so pulock will never be a TML.


what about mayfield's price? what do you think that'd be?
Feb 12 at 8:29
#8
Isles777
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Quoting: leafs101
what about mayfield's price? what do you think that'd be?


I don’t think isles would part with any defenseman now after losing one of their top pairing Dmen for the season. In the offseason I think mayfield and a 2nd for kapenen is a fair deal.
Feb 12 at 8:30
#9
GM - Avalanche
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Quoting: leafs101
I'd trade him for a high end rhd any day of the week. engvall or Mikheyev could play in his spot and put up comparable numbers. the defensive issue is way bigger than the 3rd line RW spot, which could be filled by the majority of players on this team


The Leafs defence is not all that bad but it is more of a team defence that needs to be improved. Kappy actually is one Leaf who understands how to play defence so he is not going anywhere.
Feb 12 at 8:32
#10
Hawks and Isles Fan
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Nylander 1 for 1 and I'd consider it
Feb 12 at 8:34
#11
Thread Starter
Leafs
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Quoting: TMLSage
The Leafs defence is not all that bad but it is more of a team defence that needs to be improved. Kappy actually is one Leaf who understands how to play defence so he is not going anywhere.


yes, it is all that bad. Justin holl is not a top4 defenceman. They also need a more defensive 3C. kapanen is replaceable, as good as he is. he's limited to the third line on this team, and we have engvall and Mikheyev, among others, who would have no trouble on the third line.
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Feb 12 at 8:40
#12
Lucas Raymond to NYR
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Pulock is Nylander value level wise.
Feb 12 at 8:47
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quite frankly, the most amazing thing here is the hilarious over payment for ron hainsey
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Feb 12 at 8:49
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Leafs
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
quite frankly, the most amazing thing here is the hilarious over payment for ron hainsey


don't even Ron is the GOAT. clearly the leafs no. 1 d man last year. only reason why rielly scored 72 points last year obviously
Feb 12 at 8:57
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Quoting: tsyls
Yeah that’s not even close. Pulock is the isles best dman (right now, Dobson will be their #1 in a few years) and they also are without pelech. You’d have to give up quite a bit to get Pulock.

Take the price you’re uncomfortable paying for him and add to it by a lot. The isles have absolutely no reason to move him so you’d have to pry him off that roster. Plus the isles are in win now mode so they’d need impact players now, which Pulock is so once again, you’d have to pry him off.


Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
Nylander 1 for 1 and I'd consider it


From both sides that's what it takes to start a conversation Pulock/Nylander
Feb 12 at 9:07
#16
M. Marincin Truther
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Haven't you heard hes pretty much bobby orr? Hes extremely overrated on here by isles fans
Feb 12 at 9:09
#17
Isles777
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Quoting: Jack_
Haven't you heard hes pretty much bobby orr? Hes extremely overrated on here by isles fans


How is he overrated by isles fans? , fans of 3 different teams on this thread just said he would cost nylander.
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Feb 12 at 9:13
#18
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Quoting: Jack_
Haven't you heard hes pretty much bobby orr? Hes extremely overrated on here by isles fans


Quoting: Isles777
How is he overrated by isles fans? , fans of 3 different teams on this thread just said he would cost nylander.


He's not overrated but he's not a finished polished project, but niether is Nylander
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Feb 12 at 9:24
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M. Marincin Truther
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Quoting: Isles777
How is he overrated by isles fans? , fans of 3 different teams on this thread just said he would cost nylander.


They are influenced by reading other people's comments on this site and still think hes on a great contract. People are overating his defensive impact a ton. His isolated impact isnt great, Ceci's offensive impact is better. I dont have his play driving numbers on me but if I remember correctly they arent anything special.

Quoting: Boomer125
He's not overrated but he's not a finished polished project, but niether is Nylander


Nylander will be 24 by the time next season starts and is on a way better contract. Pulock will be 26 and pretty much is what he is. His next contract wont be great either. His defensive play is extremely overrated
Feb 12 at 9:30
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Isles777
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Quoting: Jack_
They are influenced by reading other people's comments on this site and still think hes on a great contract. People are overating his defensive impact a ton. His isolated impact isnt great, Ceci's offensive impact is better. I dont have his play driving numbers on me but if I remember correctly they arent anything special.

Last season the islanders had a 56 expected goal share with pulock on the ice and he a 3.57 expected goals for per 60 rate. He plays against teams opposing teams lines in a defensive minded system ( still on pace for 43 pts even though he has only 41% O zone starts). He is a very solid top pairing defenseman

Nylander will be 24 by the time next season starts and is on a way better contract. Pulock will be 26 and pretty much is what he is. His next contract wont be great either. His defensive play is extremely overrated
Feb 12 at 9:41
#21
M. Marincin Truther
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Quoting: Isles777


He also gets out shot when hes on the ice (45.1% cf and -2.2 relative to his teammates). Hes got a high pdo. Not that points matter that much and especially for defenseman but almost half of them are 2nd assists which arent repeatable. Hes got good xG numbers because he plays on the isles and they give up almost no high danger chances. If he were to play on any other team that isnt the isles and maybe the wild his xG would regress towards his corsi
Feb 12 at 9:48
#22
M. Marincin Truther
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Quoting: Isles777


I would love to have him on the leafs but nylander is way to much. At the very least hes a #3 on a contender but you wouldn't want to have him as a #2. I think hes a product of the isles system and to say hes worth nylander is insane, ges on pace for 40 goals this season
Feb 12 at 9:56
#23
Isles777
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Quoting: Jack_
I would love to have him on the leafs but nylander is way to much. At the very least hes a #3 on a contender but you wouldn't want to have him as a #2. I think hes a product of the isles system and to say hes worth nylander is insane, ges on pace for 40 goals this season


He’s not a product of the isles system - he had a good season before trotz got here. Last season pulock isolated D impact was very good and he led the isles in eWAR. His isolated D impact isn’t great this season but he has overall been solid top pairing D.

And responding to your previous comment on isles getting outshot with him on the ice - he does start 59% in the Dzone and in trotz system, he does not care if the opposing team spends a lot of time in our zone as long as the shots are kept to the outside.
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Feb 12 at 10:50
#24
Hawks and Isles Fan
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Quoting: Boomer125
From both sides that's what it takes to start a conversation Pulock/Nylander


He’s our #1 defenseman, does a little bit of everything. I personally wouldn’t even want to trade him for Nylander (not because he’s worth more, just because of the role he plays and our inability to fill it), but I totally think Nylander is a reasonable return, at least in a 1 for 1 deal
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Feb 13 at 7:57
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Quoting: Isles777
He’s not a product of the isles system - he had a good season before trotz got here. Last season pulock isolated D impact was very good and he led the isles in eWAR. His isolated D impact isn’t great this season but he has overall been solid top pairing D.

And responding to your previous comment on isles getting outshot with him on the ice - he does start 59% in the Dzone and in trotz system, he does not care if the opposing team spends a lot of time in our zone as long as the shots are kept to the outside.


I'm not saying hes bad by any means. I would love to have him on my team but I just dont think hes worth nylander. His xG would drop a ton if he were to play on the leafs and giving up nylander for a guy like pulock who will need to be resigned isnt a good trade for either team
 
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