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Turcotte for Domi

Created by: math731
Initial Creation Date: Feb 12, 2020
Published: Feb 12 at 8:20 pm
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Trades
MTL
    Alex Turcotte. MTL's getting CCs teammate. There is a risk considering the fact he haven't played yet in the NHL.
    LAK
    1. Domi, Max
    Additional Details:
    They're getting immediate help. Domi's a small but skilled and really fast C who plays with passion. Just a thought dont hate me for trying new things...
    Buyouts
    • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
    • Ilya Kovalchuk: $350,000 (50%)
    Buried
    • Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)
    • Keith Kinkaid: $675,000 ($1,750,000)
    • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
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    MTL
    CHI
    MTL
    MTL
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    WPG
    MTL
    FLA
    MTL
    CHI
    2021
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    CHI
    MTL
    MTL
    OTT
    MTL
    2022
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    25$81,500,000$76,557,142$0$920,000$4,942,858
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MTL
    Drouin, Jonathan
    $5,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Danault, Phillip
    $3,083,333
    C
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Gallagher, Brendan
    $3,750,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Tatar, Tomas
    $4,800,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Weal, Jordan
    $1,400,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Armia, Joel
    $2,600,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Byron, Paul
    $3,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Thompson, Nate
    $1,000,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Weise, Dale
    $2,350,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Lehkonen, Artturi
    $2,400,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Cousins, Nick
    $1,000,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Kovalchuk, Ilya
    $350,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Evans, Jake
    $925,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Suzuki, Nick
    $863,333
    C, RW
    RFA - 3
    MTL
    Teasdale, Joël
    $763,333
    C
    RFA - 3
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    MTL
    Scandella, Marco
    $2,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Weber, Shea
    $7,857,143
    RD
    UFA - 7
    MTL
    Price, Carey
    $10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    MTL
    Chiarot, Ben
    $3,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Petry, Jeff
    $5,500,000
    RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Lindgren, Charlie
    $750,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Kulak, Brett
    $1,850,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Folin, Christian
    $800,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Mete, Victor
    $748,333
    LD
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Ouellet, Xavier
    $700,000
    LD
    RFA - 1

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    Feb 12 at 8:22
    #1
    MNBassman
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    Feb 12 at 8:23
    #2
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    Laffy will be a habs
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    Quoting: MNBassman
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    Value's close. Turcotte isnt AMAZING this year... And so is Domi. I think there might be a fit.
    Feb 12 at 8:31
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    Turcotte just got named the #1 prospect in the #1 system in the NHL. Just a hunch, but he's not available. And they would absolutely want more then Domi.
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    Feb 12 at 8:31
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    Damn double post
    Feb 12 at 8:31
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    What a terrible trade for LA.

    With where you are in your rebuild keep the guy with lower floor and higher ceiling.

    You aren't competing for a couple years so you shouldn't be trying to get older now either.

    Domi is a very good player but he isn't a franchise player. There is no reason to make this trade. Have patience.

    Oh and trade anyone you can over about 28. Your team isn't competing for a couple years.
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    Feb 12 at 8:31
    #6
    HadesOfSocal
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    Lmao
    Feb 12 at 8:32
    #7
    Isles777
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    why would LAK do this?
    Feb 12 at 8:34
    #8
    Spleenmaster1002
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    Absolutely no reason for the Kings to do this
    Feb 12 at 8:51
    #9
    Wqrrior
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    MTL has no clue how to value their players.
    Feb 12 at 8:54
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    and once the deal goes through do you release Rob Blakes kids or do you play cat and mouse with the FBI for a while?
    Feb 12 at 8:54
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    MTL has no clue how to value their players.


    Why is a 70pts player not worth (or close to worth) a guy like Turcotte? I get that this doesn't makes much sense for them since they're rebuilding (even though Domi is young), but value isn't far off. Turcotte is an amazing player, but hasn't played in the NHL yet and doesn't have an AMAZING season in the NCAA
    Feb 12 at 8:58
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    Turcotte will probably be better than Domi and they are in no hurry to be competitive quickly.
    Feb 12 at 8:59
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    Quoting: BCAPP
    What a terrible trade for LA.

    With where you are in your rebuild keep the guy with lower floor and higher ceiling.

    You aren't competing for a couple years so you shouldn't be trying to get older now either.

    Domi is a very good player but he isn't a franchise player. There is no reason to make this trade. Have patience.

    Oh and trade anyone you can over about 28. Your team isn't competing for a couple years.


    From a value standpoint, it's not a terrible trade for either team. However, the deal makes no sense because both teams are in rebuilding mode and, arguably, the Habs are further along that path than the Kings.

    If you really believe this is bad for the Kings, then you should be arguing for trading Doughty and Kopitar for MAXIMUM return. If, however, you believe that with Kopitar, Doughty, Carter, Dustin Brown and (maybe) Toffoli, there's the nucleus of a team that could contend again as Kempe, Walker, Lizotte and some of the other younger players mature as NHLers, then adding Domi would be a great move because he can help now.

    Of course, the same is true for the Habs. If the Habs don't see a contender being built around Weber, Price, Petry etc, they should be trading all of their older guys for solid prospect -- not Domi. If they think they could contend sooner, trading Domi for a younger prospect still makes little sense unless that player is a solid LHD.
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    Feb 12 at 9:04
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    Edited Feb 12 at 9:14
    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    Turcotte will probably be better than Domi and they are in no hurry to be competitive quickly.


    While a son should not be tarred with the sins of the father, it is reasonable to be wary that Alex could follow a similar trajectory to that of his dad, Alfie, who was a first-round scoring star in junior who never managed to stick in the NHL. Prospects are like kids: very few live up to your expectations.
    Feb 12 at 9:41
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    Billy739
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    Quoting: math731
    Value's close. Turcotte isnt AMAZING this year... And so is Domi. I think there might be a fit.


    we're talking a top 6 Center prospect comparable to Ryan Johanson
    that said i dont think the value's that far off but it would take some creative maneuvering to do given the situation LAK are in rebuilding .

    Domi does fit LAK needs but even if he signs longterm (which is doubtfull ) the kings would be looking at having him there until he's 32-33 at which point he'll have likely taken on a bottom 6 role similar to what his father played. I feel LAK needs a pick or prospect to give them a youth piece long term .


    Domi ,Lehkonen and a 2nd round pick

    for

    Turcotte and Carter @ 2 years at 5.2m left (if MTL trades Carter before july 1st 2021 then they also gives LAK a 2021 2nd round pick )

    LAK potentially ends up with enough cap to sign the RFA Domi they're receiving with Carter being moved
    In addition the get a 23 year old forechecker who's got a reputation for being a match ups player . (we've always played him with our weakest 2 way center to recover turnovers for)
    as well as a potentially two 2nd round picks in 2020 and 2022 (only if MTL profits from selling Carter at next years TDL)

    MTL gets Turcotte to develop with Caufield in NCAA then bring them up and stick them both on 3rd line and top PP getting them 16-17 minutes a night to start .
    Carter until then can lock up 3rd with Armia and Byron or have him play wing and take faceoffs for Kotkanemi -Armia

    both teams get fair value and their rosters are better today.
    Carter's declining but he like Kovalchuk still shoots in area's and at rate's no one here can
    We got a ton of guys to collecting rebounds and score , throw a stick you'll hit 5
    but outside Suzuki no one we've had beside kovalchuk has shot regularly from those high traffic area's (which makes sense you need hands as up to 3 plays can collapse onto you in seconds )
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    Feb 12 at 9:44
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    Kings won't trade Turcotte for Domi, if only because Turcotte is 6 years younger and Domi will be pushing 30 by the time the Kings are getting ready to compete again. So they can either have 6-10 years of productive Domi, or 12-16 years of productive Turcotte. Even if Turcotte doesn't reach his full potential, the latter is obviously a better gamble.
    Feb 12 at 9:50
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    Quoting: math731
    Why is a 70pts player not worth (or close to worth) a guy like Turcotte? I get that this doesn't makes much sense for them since they're rebuilding (even though Domi is young), but value isn't far off. Turcotte is an amazing player, but hasn't played in the NHL yet and doesn't have an AMAZING season in the NCAA


    There's no trade that happens between Montreal and LA that includes Turcotte to Montreal that doesn't include Caufield to LA. Montreal would likely need to add to that deal.
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    Feb 12 at 10:10
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    Quoting: newballcoach
    Turcotte just got named the #1 prospect in the #1 system in the NHL. Just a hunch, but he's not available. And they would absolutely want more then Domi.


    being the #1 prospect system doesnt really speak to Turcotte as much as it does to the Kings depth of system. They have guys all the way down to 15th on the list who project to play in the NHL. If you read the description of him he projects to be more of a Toews/Larkin type player than a flat out skill guy.
    That being said, no way they trade for Domi in any circumstance, who may choose to just leave and sign somewhere else. Then what? They got a worse draft pick because Domi won them more games, they lose their top prospect...? Doesnt make sense. Only way turcotte gets moved is for 2 lower level prospects. For MTL to get Turcotte, theyd have to trade Caufield plus, and that kinda defeats the purpose here
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    Feb 12 at 10:28
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    Quoting: HabsRafiki
    From a value standpoint, it's not a terrible trade for either team. However, the deal makes no sense because both teams are in rebuilding mode and, arguably, the Habs are further along that path than the Kings.

    If you really believe this is bad for the Kings, then you should be arguing for trading Doughty and Kopitar for MAXIMUM return. If, however, you believe that with Kopitar, Doughty, Carter, Dustin Brown and (maybe) Toffoli, there's the nucleus of a team that could contend again as Kempe, Walker, Lizotte and some of the other younger players mature as NHLers, then adding Domi would be a great move because he can help now.

    Of course, the same is true for the Habs. If the Habs don't see a contender being built around Weber, Price, Petry etc, they should be trading all of their older guys for solid prospect -- not Domi. If they think they could contend sooner, trading Domi for a younger prospect still makes little sense unless that player is a solid LHD.


    See my last point I do think LA should be trading anyone over 28.

    I really think there is a Kopitar to Buffalo trade that could help both teams.

    Or perhaps a Kopitar to Montreal trade.
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    Feb 12 at 10:45
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    There's no trade that happens between Montreal and LA that includes Turcotte to Montreal that doesn't include Caufield to LA. Montreal would likely need to add to that deal.


    This is one-step-up-one-step-back for both teams. Any Montreal-LA trade only makes sense if one team trades prospects for roster players or similar-aged players at different positions.
    Feb 12 at 10:55
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    Quoting: HabsRafiki
    This is one-step-up-one-step-back for both teams. Any Montreal-LA trade only makes sense if one team trades prospects for roster players or similar-aged players at different positions.


    I completely agree. My main point was that neither LA nor Montreal are looking to trade their top draft picks from last summer. There's no way a trade happens between these two teams that include either of these players.
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    Feb 13 at 1:02
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    Billy739
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    What about keeping it simple

    Poehling for Turcotte

    Poehling will require needing protection by the Expansion draft so the upside for MTL is they dont lose quality and buy themselves 1-2 years.
    LAK have plenty of room to Protect RP and get a player who's ready for NHL minutes today

    both have similar projections and both have chemistry and experience Centering Caufield .
    MTL has him in Laval anyways and wont even use him until the expansion is on our doorstep
    Feb 13 at 11:23
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    Quoting: Billy739
    What about keeping it simple

    Poehling for Turcotte

    Poehling will require needing protection by the Expansion draft so the upside for MTL is they dont lose quality and buy themselves 1-2 years.
    LAK have plenty of room to Protect RP and get a player who's ready for NHL minutes today

    both have similar projections and both have chemistry and experience Centering Caufield .
    MTL has him in Laval anyways and wont even use him until the expansion is on our doorstep


    That might works, but I think we'd have to add another GREAT piece to Poe. Maybe they'd be interested in Norlinder (even though I wouldn't trade him) to play him with Bjorfot. Or Brook?
    Feb 13 at 9:46
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    Billy739
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    Quoting: math731
    That might works, but I think we'd have to add another GREAT piece to Poe. Maybe they'd be interested in Norlinder (even though I wouldn't trade him) to play him with Bjorfot. Or Brook?


    i think LAK is trading a small Center who's in a similar projected expectation as Poehling is .
    Remember Poehling was drafted later not due to lack of offense like some people would suggest
    but instead because his lack of physical conditioning and stamina .

    Poehling after arriving to St Cloud University underwent a full physical top to bottom and they discovered a blockage in his nasal cavity preventing him from breathing properly .
    After it was removed Poehling but the world on notice making huge strides in a short time including packing on 40 lbs of muscle over the next 2 years .

    Turcotte's a great playmaker who will play a good 3-4 years longer then Poehling but still produce similar offense and half the goal total as AT is a pure playmaker with almost no goal scoring ability consistently against teenagers . They're both completely different players and given how physical the West is and how fierce the California teams battle i think LAK would prefer the big bodied Power Forward who can learn from Kopitar and grow skill wise .

    MTL's a little bit dumb for making the move on paper given their individual success's puts Poehling out far ahead of Turcotte .
    That said i'm of the opinion if we move him we dont have to protect Turcotte which leaves us room to protect another piece of value like Armia or Chiarot.

    if we had to add though

    Turcotte and Durzi

    for

    Poehling and Brook

    Brook and Durzi are of similar value with Durzi with Brook being the only one to Represent his Country among the 2. (similar age and position means they likely competed for the same spot)
    Durzi makes sense given his a Suzuki's Chemistry in their memorial cup run last year its worth the risk and for LAK they get a player who can skate and carry the puck like Subban with none of the embellishments or nonsense .

    you can add a 5th on LAK and a 3rd on MTL if you really wanted to sell it to nit pickers but i think this would make both teams better
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    Feb 13 at 10:20
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    Quoting: Billy739
    i think LAK is trading a small Center who's in a similar projected expectation as Poehling is .
    Remember Poehling was drafted later not due to lack of offense like some people would suggest
    but instead because his lack of physical conditioning and stamina .

    Poehling after arriving to St Cloud University underwent a full physical top to bottom and they discovered a blockage in his nasal cavity preventing him from breathing properly .
    After it was removed Poehling but the world on notice making huge strides in a short time including packing on 40 lbs of muscle over the next 2 years .

    Turcotte's a great playmaker who will play a good 3-4 years longer then Poehling but still produce similar offense and half the goal total as AT is a pure playmaker with almost no goal scoring ability consistently against teenagers . They're both completely different players and given how physical the West is and how fierce the California teams battle i think LAK would prefer the big bodied Power Forward who can learn from Kopitar and grow skill wise .

    MTL's a little bit dumb for making the move on paper given their individual success's puts Poehling out far ahead of Turcotte .
    That said i'm of the opinion if we move him we dont have to protect Turcotte which leaves us room to protect another piece of value like Armia or Chiarot.

    if we had to add though

    Turcotte and Durzi

    for

    Poehling and Brook

    Brook and Durzi are of similar value with Durzi with Brook being the only one to Represent his Country among the 2. (similar age and position means they likely competed for the same spot)
    Durzi makes sense given his a Suzuki's Chemistry in their memorial cup run last year its worth the risk and for LAK they get a player who can skate and carry the puck like Subban with none of the embellishments or nonsense .

    you can add a 5th on LAK and a 3rd on MTL if you really wanted to sell it to nit pickers but i think this would make both teams better


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